Daniel Agger

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Re: Agger Bid

Agger is a really good player. my concern would be surrounding his fragile nature, he's seemingly constantly injured. He's never made more than 27 Premiership appearances in a season, in fact he's only managed more than 20 Premiership appearances in 2 of the last 5 seasons, that's just not good enough for a potentially £20m+ footballer.

It's a slight concern, but he's averaged about 30 games a season including cups over the last 4 years and we wouldn't really need him to play much more than that, with us already having Vinny and Lescott.

 

[SuperYaya]

Re: Agger Bid

I'd probably get excited if we got him, but right now I don't really want him. £22m is far too much for someone who isn't better than Lescott.

Lescott and/or Vinnie could do a cruciate on Sunday and be out for the season. Kolo is in decline, Savic not ready, Rekik not ready, Micah is not a centre half long term.
Why people only think in terms of 'first choice' for any position in the team is beyond me.
The fact we were able to rotate players last season helped to give us the best injury record in the league.
I would take either Agger or Skrtel, preferably the latter. Liverpool had the best CB pairing after ours last season, imo

Or alternatively Agger could do a cruciate, which seems more likely given his injury history, and we've wasted £22 million on an injured centre half who shouldn't be first choice even if fit.

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

Swap Clichy for Kolarov and Tevez for RVP and we've got a deal.

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

 

[gio's side step]

Re: Agger Bid

---------------------------------HART---------------------------------

-------------AGGER----------KOMPANY---------LESCOTT-----------

--RICHARDS-----------------------------------------------CLICHY---

-----------------NASRI----------YAYA---------SILVA-----------------

------------------------TEVEZ-----------AGUERO--------------------

This is just stupid considering Agger is left footed

 

[blueyorkie]

Re: Agger Bid

Swap Clichy for Kolarov and Tevez for RVP and we've got a deal.

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

With respect you should take a few minutes to watch the last 6 games of the Champs season, Clichy was instrumental in a large proportion of the goals many through good quality crosses.

 

[BlueBilly]

Re: Agger Bid

---------------------------------HART---------------------------------

-------------AGGER----------KOMPANY---------LESCOTT-----------

--RICHARDS-----------------------------------------------CLICHY---

-----------------NASRI----------YAYA---------SILVA-----------------

------------------------TEVEZ-----------AGUERO--------------------

This is just stupid considering Agger is left footed

Brilliant point. Signing a left footed centre back would suggest that it's as a replacement for Lescott to compliment Kompany.

It might seem insignificant playing a left footed centre back on the right but it really isn't. Playing three at the back, ideally you'd want:

Right footed------Either footed-------Left footed

So incorporating Agger and Lescott into the same defence would mean Kompany playing on the right hand side, which is fine, but not ideal as you want the best CB playing centrally.

Again, might sound trivial, but I remember the game at home to Villa last season. The ball came over to the right hand side of the pitch and all Lescott had to do was boot it out, but his reluctance to use his right foot allowed Agbonlahor past him, who sprinted the length of the pitch and nearly scored.

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

Swap Clichy for Kolarov and Tevez for RVP and we've got a deal.

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

With respect you should take a few minutes to watch the last 6 games of the Champs season, Clichy was instrumental in a large proportion of the goals many through good quality crosses.

I watch them still. Often. He's not consistent enough for my tastes. If I could make a Mad Science hybrid of the two I would be ecstatic. As is I think they're both highly talented players with different strengths.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:36 am --<br /><br />

---------------------------------HART---------------------------------

-------------AGGER----------KOMPANY---------LESCOTT-----------

--RICHARDS-----------------------------------------------CLICHY---

-----------------NASRI----------YAYA---------SILVA-----------------

------------------------TEVEZ-----------AGUERO--------------------

This is just stupid considering Agger is left footed

Brilliant point. Signing a left footed centre back would suggest that it's as a replacement for Lescott to compliment Kompany.

It might seem insignificant playing a left footed centre back on the right but it really isn't. Playing three at the back, ideally you'd want:

Right footed------Either footed-------Left footed

So incorporating Agger and Lescott into the same defence would mean Kompany playing on the right hand side, which is fine, but not ideal as you want the best CB playing centrally.

Again, might sound trivial, but I remember the game at home to Villa last season. The ball came over to the right hand side of the pitch and all Lescott had to do was boot it out, but his reluctance to use his right foot allowed Agbonlahor past him, who sprinted the length of the pitch and nearly scored.

One thing I've noticed we do when we would last season is have one defender (CB or DM-type) mark the opposition striker. I suppose we could allow one of Agger or Kompany to do so and have the other two play more traditional CB roles (assuming teams play the lone striker up front and hoof it as they tended to last season.)

 

[Matty]

Re: Agger Bid

Agger is a really good player. my concern would be surrounding his fragile nature, he's seemingly constantly injured. He's never made more than 27 Premiership appearances in a season, in fact he's only managed more than 20 Premiership appearances in 2 of the last 5 seasons, that's just not good enough for a potentially £20m+ footballer.

It's a slight concern, but he's averaged about 30 games a season including cups over the last 4 years and we wouldn't really need him to play much more than that, with us already having Vinny and Lescott.

Looking at Agger, when compared to Komapny, and also his own defensive partner Skrtel, doesn't look good:-

Skrtel
2011-12 36
2010-11 49
2009-10 29
2008-09 30
2007-08 20
Total - 164 in all competitions

Kompany
2011-12 40
2010-11 53
2009-10 32
2008-09 45
2007-08 38
Total - 208 in all competitions

Agger
2011-12 33
2010-11 21
2009-10 36
2008-09 26
2007-08 6
Total - 122 in all competitions

That's a lot less games played than both of them for Agger and, in fact, apart from 2009-10 he's played less games, some times substantially less, every season. I don't think his brittle body should be underestimated here.

 

[Joehannes]

Re: Agger Bid

Agger is a really good player. my concern would be surrounding his fragile nature, he's seemingly constantly injured. He's never made more than 27 Premiership appearances in a season, in fact he's only managed more than 20 Premiership appearances in 2 of the last 5 seasons, that's just not good enough for a potentially £20m+ footballer.

It's a slight concern, but he's averaged about 30 games a season including cups over the last 4 years and we wouldn't really need him to play much more than that, with us already having Vinny and Lescott.

Looking at Agger, when compared to Komapny, and also his own defensive partner Skrtel, doesn't look good:-

Skrtel
2011-12 36
2010-11 49
2009-10 29
2008-09 30
2007-08 20
Total - 164 in all competitions

Kompany
2011-12 40
2010-11 53
2009-10 32
2008-09 45
2007-08 38
Total - 208 in all competitions

Agger
2011-12 33
2010-11 21
2009-10 36
2008-09 26
2007-08 6
Total - 122 in all competitions

That's a lot less games played than both of them for Agger and, in fact, apart from 2009-10 he's played less games, some times substantially less, every season. I don't think his brittle body should be underestimated here.

Fair point but what about Carragher? These are his league stats:
2007–08 35
2008–09 38
2009–10 37
2010–11 28
2011–12 21
Carragher playing had an influence on who played between Skrtel and Agger as well, just can't remember which usually sat out?

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Agger Bid

Swap Clichy for Kolarov and Tevez for RVP and we've got a deal.

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

 

[adrianr]

Re: Agger Bid

It's a slight concern, but he's averaged about 30 games a season including cups over the last 4 years and we wouldn't really need him to play much more than that, with us already having Vinny and Lescott.

Looking at Agger, when compared to Komapny, and also his own defensive partner Skrtel, doesn't look good:-

Skrtel
2011-12 36
2010-11 49
2009-10 29
2008-09 30
2007-08 20
Total - 164 in all competitions

Kompany
2011-12 40
2010-11 53
2009-10 32
2008-09 45
2007-08 38
Total - 208 in all competitions

Agger
2011-12 33
2010-11 21
2009-10 36
2008-09 26
2007-08 6
Total - 122 in all competitions

That's a lot less games played than both of them for Agger and, in fact, apart from 2009-10 he's played less games, some times substantially less, every season. I don't think his brittle body should be underestimated here.

Fair point but what about Carragher? These are his league stats:
2007–08 35
2008–09 38
2009–10 37
2010–11 28
2011–12 21
Carragher playing had an influence on who played between Skrtel and Agger as well, just can't remember which usually sat out?

From dippers I know combined with your general browse of RAWK, it's accepted that you can get away with playing Carragher with Agger, but not with Skrtel. Whenever he came in if Agger was injured it was generally seen to be a calamity waiting to happen. Draw any parallels with a certain centre back dilemma at a club we know?

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

Swap Clichy for Kolarov and Tevez for RVP and we've got a deal.

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Re: Agger Bid

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

Kolarovs hardly consistent, most of his shots/crosses go in to the crowd.

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

Kolarovs hardly consistent, most of his shots/crosses go in to the crowd.

Not talking about shots. His crosses are better than Clichy's. It's not really a contentious point, and I never said Clichy should go to the substitutes. He's simply not consistently good crossing the ball.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Re: Agger Bid

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

Kolarovs hardly consistent, most of his shots/crosses go in to the crowd.

Not talking about shots. His crosses are better than Clichy's. It's not really a contentious point, and I never said Clichy should go to the substitutes. He's simply not consistently good crossing the ball.

I was talking about crosses as well as shots, he might be a bit more consistent but I would take amazing defending over the odd decent cross.

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

Kolarovs hardly consistent, most of his shots/crosses go in to the crowd.

Not talking about shots. His crosses are better than Clichy's. It's not really a contentious point, and I never said Clichy should go to the substitutes. He's simply not consistently good crossing the ball.

I was talking about crosses as well as shots, he might be a bit more consistent but I would take amazing defending over the odd decent cross.

Okay and? Mind telling me when I said we should take Clichy out? I commented that playing Clichy as a wingback wouldn't be highly productive. Didn't even say we should play wingbacks. I'm acknowledging the manager seems to like that formation. That's about it.

Some people do seem to look for slights.

 

[Seosa]

Re: Agger Bid

Clichy not a good crosser? Please...

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Agger Bid

I don't think Clichy crosses well enough. Better defender though.

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

Yes I know mate,but IMO I honestly thought that was a superb pass,but yes has to be more consistent with those sort of crosses.

 

[blue soon?]

Re: Agger Bid

personal opinion here but crossing aside, i think Clichy's speed would be crucial as a wingback for a 3-5-2, him and richards means we wouldn't be that vunerable when caught on a counter attack and that would be why he would be more valuable than kolarov even in that formation.

 

[taconinja]

Re: Agger Bid

For me one of the passes of the season Wolves away.Hell of a ball for Sergio to score our first goal.

I didn't say he can't cross at all. He gets some right but not consistently enough.

Yes I know mate,but IMO I honestly thought that was a superb pass,but yes has to be more consistent with those sort of crosses.

True, it was a gorgeous ball in.<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:19 am --<br /><br />

personal opinion here but crossing aside, i think Clichy's speed would be crucial as a wingback for a 3-5-2, him and richards means we wouldn't be that vunerable when caught on a counter attack and that would be why he would be more valuable than kolarov even in that formation.

There's no point in lining up that way if your wingbacks aren't meant to be heavy contributors to the attack.