Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness benefit

[Anonymous]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Ok haven't googled any of that but from memory the USA stopped the Apollo missions because there was no money left to fund it. There only seems to be expense in space travel no profit.

I've already explained that space technology is an investment. It isn't an instant return because science is hard and inventing things takes time.

On nuclear war yes everyone seems to have backed down because it's a threat to all.

Apart from all of those other wars that have happened since the nuclear age started?

Yep Bill Gates due massive respect but these countries - usually Africa - have all the rest of the world chucking aid At them and what? Have they built a great health service? Are they looking after their ppl? Are they hell they are buying weapons and feathering their own nests.

Africa isn't a country. And it turns out that you can't just build a great health service out of thin air. You need an economy to support it, an educational pipeline to staff it which means investment in schools and teachers and Universities and the like, then the proper administration of it, registration systems, IT systems, medical technology innovations, etc. Giving them a couple of billion doesn't just mean the NHS pops up overnight.

In Africa child mortality is dropping year upon year. Adult literacy is increasing year upon year. Gender equality in education is decreasing year upon year. Vaccines for malaria and polio are increasing in widespread usage and herd immunity is beginning to occur in some nations. Food production is going up year on year.

Starvation and poverty isn't simply a money issue, it's a social issue. Like any social issue change doesn't happen overnight or even over decades. We took 500 years to get our economy where we are and even the US which has huge natural resources weren't economically in Europe's league up until the early/middle of the last century. Expecting the countries in Africa to do this is a wholly unrealistic goal.

Like i said Hawkins won't be worried about BBB's ponderings

 

[hilts]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

I've already explained that space technology is an investment. It isn't an instant return because science is hard and inventing things takes time.



Apart from all of those other wars that have happened since the nuclear age started?




Africa isn't a country. And it turns out that you can't just build a great health service out of thin air. You need an economy to support it, an educational pipeline to staff it which means investment in schools and teachers and Universities and the like, then the proper administration of it, registration systems, IT systems, medical technology innovations, etc. Giving them a couple of billion doesn't just mean the NHS pops up overnight.

In Africa child mortality is dropping year upon year. Adult literacy is increasing year upon year. Gender equality in education is decreasing year upon year. Vaccines for malaria and polio are increasing in widespread usage and herd immunity is beginning to occur in some nations. Food production is going up year on year.

Starvation and poverty isn't simply a money issue, it's a social issue. Like any social issue change doesn't happen overnight or even over decades. We took 500 years to get our economy where we are and even the US which has huge natural resources weren't economically in Europe's league up until the early/middle of the last century. Expecting the countries in Africa to do this is a wholly unrealistic goal.

Like i said Hawkins won't be worried about BBB's ponderings

If this chap is english i would put the heating on and give him a cup of bovril, if he is a foreigner though he can freeze to fuck i have bills to pay and the pub visit won't pay for itself, that turks head isn't cheap

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Hawkins?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Carrying on the point of helping those who need our help and support the most.

“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune, the cost of which should be shared by the community”

Aneurin Bevan-founder of the NHS

 

[hilts]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

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[TangerineSteve17]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Ah, no, quite correct I doubt he would be.

 

[TCIB]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Targeting them through a high powered rifle scope i bloody well hope !

 

[Damocles]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Hawkins?

Yeah, the guy from The Darkness

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Carrying on the point of helping those who need our help and support the most.

“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offense for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune, the cost of which should be shared by the community”

Aneurin Bevan-founder of the NHS

And Bevan would turn in his grave if he could see some of the ramifications of his cradle to grave system in operation
Originally set up as a safety net to offer help and support in times of need and still going strong and true today.
It can work marvelously but needs to be constantly tweaked to ensure the engine is working to optimum performance.
I believe Bevan's statement above stands firm.

However an opportunity now exists with some illnesses and addictions to be now treated at source.
People do not wish to suffer these illness of alcoholism food addiction and drug abuse and so help will now be forthcoming.
I would expect the individuals suffering from these malady's to readily jump at this opportunity of taking up Mr Cameron's on his generous new offer.
All this time they have been waiting patiently in the background ignored by countless feckless governments to offer them help and assistance that no one appeared in a position to offer.

But now it is time to throw down the gauntlet of humanity and say enough is enough.

At the moment we have a situation in place that offers additional sick related income in addition to the basic benefits if you are classified in any of the above categories.
How does it assist a sufferer to give more money on top of their basic benefits to then spend on more alcohol or drugs without first offering them guidance and help to break this circle of misery.
Society is hardly helping them break their habit but rather encouraging them to feed the addiction further.

Far better to treat these sufferers and so rightly give them all the help and assistance they genuinely deserve.
If we are to progress as a caring nation then we must act like one and behave like one.
Fantastic call David and not before time. The man is an absolute genius.

Government is not just about throwing our money at sufferers like confetti but tacking the problem head on and helping the addicted to overcome their demons returning fit shiny happy people back into the realms of mainstream employment whist offering a sense pride and a feeling of contribution and being a part of society.
Whats there not to like.

 

[East Level 2]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

What is Dave's aim when he targets fatties, drug addicts and alcoholics? Apart from currying favour with a certain section of the electorate.
Is he trying to get them fit to increase their chances of employment, and if so are there jobs available that so many of the unemployed could do?
Or is he just trying to stop them being a strain on the NHS?
I don't like the idea of benefits being wasted on wasters who have caused their own problems. But shouting about getting them fit to work when there are no jobs (or very few) indicates there's not a lot of joined up thinking going on.

 

[Damocles]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

What is Dave's aim when he targets fatties, drug addicts and alcoholics? Apart from currying favour with a certain section of the electorate.
Is he trying to get them fit to increase their chances of employment, and if so are there jobs available that so many of the unemployed could do?
Or is he just trying to stop them being a strain on the NHS?
I don't like the idea of benefits being wasted on wasters who have caused their own problems. But shouting about getting them fit to work when there are no jobs (or very few) indicates there's not a lot of joined up thinking going on.

Does there have to be an endgoal here?

Let's be fair, he hasn't actually done anything. He hasn't even said that he's going to do something. All he has done is commissioned "an advisor" to "do a review"

 

[East Level 2]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

What is Dave's aim when he targets fatties, drug addicts and alcoholics? Apart from currying favour with a certain section of the electorate.
Is he trying to get them fit to increase their chances of employment, and if so are there jobs available that so many of the unemployed could do?
Or is he just trying to stop them being a strain on the NHS?
I don't like the idea of benefits being wasted on wasters who have caused their own problems. But shouting about getting them fit to work when there are no jobs (or very few) indicates there's not a lot of joined up thinking going on.

Does there have to be an endgoal here?

Let's be fair, he hasn't actually done anything. He hasn't even said that he's going to do something. All he has done is commissioned "an advisor" to "do a review"

If there isn't an endgoal (or even an endgame) then he could commission advisers to do review all sorts of shit in the run up to the election. Perhaps that's what he's doing. After all, it's easier than making a decision at a time when politicians couldn't give a stuff about the country and are only interested in conning the public into voting for them to guarantee salaries for the next four or five years.

 

[law74]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

What is Dave's aim when he targets fatties, drug addicts and alcoholics? Apart from currying favour with a certain section of the electorate.
Is he trying to get them fit to increase their chances of employment, and if so are there jobs available that so many of the unemployed could do?
Or is he just trying to stop them being a strain on the NHS?
I don't like the idea of benefits being wasted on wasters who have caused their own problems. But shouting about getting them fit to work when there are no jobs (or very few) indicates there's not a lot of joined up thinking going on.

Does there have to be an endgoal here?

Let's be fair, he hasn't actually done anything. He hasn't even said that he's going to do something. All he has done is commissioned "an advisor" to "do a review"

If there isn't an endgoal (or even an endgame) then he could commission advisers to do review all sorts of shit in the run up to the election. Perhaps that's what he's doing. After all, it's easier than making a decision at a time when politicians couldn't give a stuff about the country and are only interested in conning the public into voting for them to guarantee salaries for the next four or five years.

The timing is very opportunistic, blame the fat alcoholic drug addicts to take attention away from his friends IN HSBC etc
blame the have nothings for our ills to prevent the have little from wanting a fairer share from the have loads

 

[whp.blue]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Thought he may have mentioned smokers

 

[Helmet Cole]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

without doubt fatties, ale cans, and smokers are a huge drain on NHS resources, and some benefits claimants are taking the piss. I'm sure the system could take the strain though if Dave made sure tax was properly collected.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Carrying on the point of helping those who need our help and support the most.

“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offense for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune, the cost of which should be shared by the community”

Aneurin Bevan-founder of the NHS

And Bevan would turn in his grave if he could see some of the ramifications of his cradle to grave system in operation
Originally set up as a safety net to offer help and support in times of need and still going strong and true today.
It can work marvelously but needs to be constantly tweaked to ensure the engine is working to optimum performance.
I believe Bevan's statement above stands firm.

However an opportunity now exists with some illnesses and addictions to be now treated at source.
People do not wish to suffer these illness of alcoholism food addiction and drug abuse and so help will now be forthcoming.
I would expect the individuals suffering from these malady's to readily jump at this opportunity of taking up Mr Cameron's on his generous new offer.
All this time they have been waiting patiently in the background ignored by countless feckless governments to offer them help and assistance that no one appeared in a position to offer.

But now it is time to throw down the gauntlet of humanity and say enough is enough.

At the moment we have a situation in place that offers additional sick related income in addition to the basic benefits if you are classified in any of the above categories.
How does it assist a sufferer to give more money on top of their basic benefits to then spend on more alcohol or drugs without first offering them guidance and help to break this circle of misery.
Society is hardly helping them break their habit but rather encouraging them to feed the addiction further.

Far better to treat these sufferers and so rightly give them all the help and assistance they genuinely deserve.
If we are to progress as a caring nation then we must act like one and behave like one.
Fantastic call David and not before time. The man is an absolute genius.

Government is not just about throwing our money at sufferers like confetti but tacking the problem head on and helping the addicted to overcome their demons returning fit shiny happy people back into the realms of mainstream employment whist offering a sense pride and a feeling of contribution and being a part of society.
Whats there not to like.

Are you on a wind up? If this is the case why is Dave only just getting around to this just before an election? How long has he been Prime Minister?

And if you think somebody gets more money on top of their standard benefits if they're a drug or alchol abuser, then you must be crazy.

 

[foxy]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Carrying on the point of helping those who need our help and support the most.

“Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offense for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune, the cost of which should be shared by the community”

Aneurin Bevan-founder of the NHS

And Bevan would turn in his grave if he could see some of the ramifications of his cradle to grave system in operation
Originally set up as a safety net to offer help and support in times of need and still going strong and true today.
It can work marvelously but needs to be constantly tweaked to ensure the engine is working to optimum performance.
I believe Bevan's statement above stands firm.

However an opportunity now exists with some illnesses and addictions to be now treated at source.
People do not wish to suffer these illness of alcoholism food addiction and drug abuse and so help will now be forthcoming.
I would expect the individuals suffering from these malady's to readily jump at this opportunity of taking up Mr Cameron's on his generous new offer.
All this time they have been waiting patiently in the background ignored by countless feckless governments to offer them help and assistance that no one appeared in a position to offer.

But now it is time to throw down the gauntlet of humanity and say enough is enough.

At the moment we have a situation in place that offers additional sick related income in addition to the basic benefits if you are classified in any of the above categories.
How does it assist a sufferer to give more money on top of their basic benefits to then spend on more alcohol or drugs without first offering them guidance and help to break this circle of misery.
Society is hardly helping them break their habit but rather encouraging them to feed the addiction further.

Far better to treat these sufferers and so rightly give them all the help and assistance they genuinely deserve.
If we are to progress as a caring nation then we must act like one and behave like one.
Fantastic call David and not before time. The man is an absolute genius.

Government is not just about throwing our money at sufferers like confetti but tacking the problem head on and helping the addicted to overcome their demons returning fit shiny happy people back into the realms of mainstream employment whist offering a sense pride and a feeling of contribution and being a part of society.
Whats there not to like.

Are you on a wind up? If this is the case why is Dave only just getting around to this just before an election? How long has he been Prime Minister?

And if you think somebody gets more money on top of their standard benefits if they're a drug or alchol abuser, then you must be crazy.

Agree to an extent but it's election season. Liebour are just doing the same as are Lib Dems and UKIP. Tories despite being in government need to come up with a new manifesto.

You are correct on your second point, I think a lot of the anger is towards the abuse of the NHS from self inflicted illnesses. But in a similar thread a few weeks a go where would you draw the line on this.

 

[Damocles]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

Agree to an extent but it's election season. Liebour are just doing the same as are Lib Dems and UKIP. Tories despite being in government need to come up with a new manifesto.

You are correct on your second point, I think a lot of the anger is towards the abuse of the NHS from self inflicted illnesses. But in a similar thread a few weeks a go where would you draw the line on this.

Do you not see the irony of using the word "Liebour" in a post where you admit that your particular football team party are probably lying "because it's election season"?

Do you not see that before you hit the post button?

Am I the only person who goddamn notices these things?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

And Bevan would turn in his grave if he could see some of the ramifications of his cradle to grave system in operation
Originally set up as a safety net to offer help and support in times of need and still going strong and true today.
It can work marvelously but needs to be constantly tweaked to ensure the engine is working to optimum performance.
I believe Bevan's statement above stands firm.

However an opportunity now exists with some illnesses and addictions to be now treated at source.
People do not wish to suffer these illness of alcoholism food addiction and drug abuse and so help will now be forthcoming.
I would expect the individuals suffering from these malady's to readily jump at this opportunity of taking up Mr Cameron's on his generous new offer.
All this time they have been waiting patiently in the background ignored by countless feckless governments to offer them help and assistance that no one appeared in a position to offer.

But now it is time to throw down the gauntlet of humanity and say enough is enough.

At the moment we have a situation in place that offers additional sick related income in addition to the basic benefits if you are classified in any of the above categories.
How does it assist a sufferer to give more money on top of their basic benefits to then spend on more alcohol or drugs without first offering them guidance and help to break this circle of misery.
Society is hardly helping them break their habit but rather encouraging them to feed the addiction further.

Far better to treat these sufferers and so rightly give them all the help and assistance they genuinely deserve.
If we are to progress as a caring nation then we must act like one and behave like one.
Fantastic call David and not before time. The man is an absolute genius.

Government is not just about throwing our money at sufferers like confetti but tacking the problem head on and helping the addicted to overcome their demons returning fit shiny happy people back into the realms of mainstream employment whist offering a sense pride and a feeling of contribution and being a part of society.
Whats there not to like.

Are you on a wind up? If this is the case why is Dave only just getting around to this just before an election? How long has he been Prime Minister?

And if you think somebody gets more money on top of their standard benefits if they're a drug or alchol abuser, then you must be crazy.

Agree to an extent but it's election season. Liebour are just doing the same as are Lib Dems and UKIP. Tories despite being in government need to come up with a new manifesto.

You are correct on your second point, I think a lot of the anger is towards the abuse of the NHS from self inflicted illnesses. But in a similar thread a few weeks a go where would you draw the line on this.

Let's be honest, getting fucked up is fashionable.

Stop glorifying alcohol and making it so accessible.

Someone is born = get pissed
Someone dies = get pissed
Someone gets married = get pissed
Someone gets christened = get pissed
So on and so fourth.

And with regards to class A drugs, having worked alongside drug & alcohol intervention services for many years, I would suggest all of the coke heads will be just as much of a strain on the NHS in times to come. This is the next drug time bomb imo, everybody has a different level of social acceptance with "party drugs", even those who use them maintain they don't have a problem and are not junkies.

Also what about stopping the flow of Heroin? but you and I know, they won't.

You do wonder what we were doing over there for so long?

In 2000 Afghanistan cultivated and produced 70% of the world's opium.

Those pesky Taliban are to blame!

<a class="postlink" href="http://time.com/3580627/opium-afghanistan-record-high-united-nations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://time.com/3580627/opium-afghanist ... d-nations/</a>

 

[Rascal]

Re: Dave targetting the obese and alcoholics on sickness ben

So there are 1,540 people claiming ESA who recieve it due to obesity being there primary medical condition.


1,540