David Cameron

[Len Rum]

I think you may be missing the point here, he (and the government) need to answer the West Lothian question first, and also propose a new more devolved system of power for England, when that is sorted out Scotland will get it's extra powers

Errrrrr .......at no point in Gordon Browns speech(es) or any subsequent speech from any other MP was there a requirement for the 'West Lothian Question' to be resolved first. Brown made a Vow its now Cameron and his cronies who are doing the wriggling on this

Disgraceful....

The point still remains, we can not give Scotland the extra powers until the problem of basic democracy in England is sorted out Brown was rash in making the promises

Read what the man said - at no point was the promised extra devolved powers for Scotland conditional on the West Lothian question being sorted.
It doesn't matter if you or Cameron or anybody think it should be, it wasn't included in the VOW.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Errrrrr .......at no point in Gordon Browns speech(es) or any subsequent speech from any other MP was there a requirement for the 'West Lothian Question' to be resolved first. Brown made a Vow its now Cameron and his cronies who are doing the wriggling on this

Disgraceful....

The point still remains, we can not give Scotland the extra powers until the problem of basic democracy in England is sorted out Brown was rash in making the promises

Read what the man said - at no point was the promised extra devolved powers for Scotland conditional on the West Lothian question being sorted.
It doesn't matter if you or Cameron or anybody think it should be, it wasn't included in the VOW.

And that "VOW" whatever the fuck that is. Was not agreed by the UK parliament before it was made. It did not represent UK policy. That is the problem here. It would require an act of parliament and will never be passed in isolation so the west lothian question is the appropriate vehicle to use to get it passed.

 

[Len Rum]

The point still remains, we can not give Scotland the extra powers until the problem of basic democracy in England is sorted out Brown was rash in making the promises

Read what the man said - at no point was the promised extra devolved powers for Scotland conditional on the West Lothian question being sorted.
It doesn't matter if you or Cameron or anybody think it should be, it wasn't included in the VOW.

And that "VOW" whatever the fuck that is. Was not agreed by the UK parliament before it was made. It did not represent UK policy. That is the problem here. It would require an act of parliament and will never be passed in isolation so the west lothian question is the appropriate vehicle to use to get it passed.

It was a VOW signed by the three party leaders that made no reference to it being conditional on the West Lothian question and it may have determined the outcome of the referendum.
So if those three signatories cannot deliver on their promise by getting enough combined votes from their respective parties to pass the required legislation through parliament (without it being conditional on anything else including the West Lothian question) then they should collectively resign AND a new referendum should be held.

 

[mcmanus]

The Riot Club is out now. A film about the infamous, elite, top rich Bullingdon Club that used to go round Oxford drinking, abusing folk and smashing up restaurants and the like. Daddy paid off the damage in the morning.

Our prime minster, chancellor and mayor of the country's biggest city were all members.

No jail time for them though.

 

[TGR]

Vow

verb
1.
solemnly promise to do a specified thing.
"the rebels vowed to continue fighting"
synonyms: swear, swear/state under oath, swear on the Bible, take an oath, pledge, promise, affirm, avow, undertake, give an undertaking, engage, commit, commit oneself, make a commitment, give one's word, give one's word of honour, give an assurance, guarantee;

The so called 'vow' is actually the same as a 'pledge'.

Nick Clegg 'pledged' not to introduce university tuition fees. The rest is history.
Any 'pledge' or 'vow' from any politician of any colour is less than worthless.
The photo below is 100% proof of this statement.

 

[Len Rum]

Dave caught on a camera microphone talking to a former New York Mayor making some somewhat unguarded comments about how the Scottish referendum should have never been that close and 'joking' that he wants to sue the polling companies for giving him stomach ulcers, but worse of all he referred to a private conversation with the Queen, in which he states the Queen"purred down the line" when he told her the result of the Scottish referendum.
Some might say a little indiscreet Dave.

 

[Bill]

no matter what i'd like to place on record my thanks for turning the country round.

respect.

 

[malg]

Dave caught on a camera microphone talking to a former New York Mayor making some somewhat unguarded comments about how the Scottish referendum should have never been that close and 'joking' that he wants to sue the polling companies for giving him stomach ulcers, but worse of all he referred to a private conversation with the Queen, in which he states the Queen"purred down the line" when he told her the result of the Scottish referendum.
Some might say a little indiscreet Dave.

HM the Queen can do an Eartha Kitt impression?

 

[Len Rum]

no matter what i'd like to place on record my thanks for turning the country round.

respect.

I'm sure Dave would be touched dn.
I suppose he can be forgiven for committing a slight 'foxes paw' (again).
He is though an outstanding PM of principal and conviction and competence ( alright forget 'hug a hoodie', vote Tory vote Green ,the big society etc), but apart from that, oh and the forestry sell off debacle, the Syrian war vote, the failure to prevent the election of Jean--Claude Juncker, the omnishambles budget, he is a PM to be greatly admired.
He has also shown great managerial skills in delegating the running of the country to focus groups chaired by a migrant worker Lynton Crosby.

 

[cibaman]

Errrrrr .......at no point in Gordon Browns speech(es) or any subsequent speech from any other MP was there a requirement for the 'West Lothian Question' to be resolved first. Brown made a Vow its now Cameron and his cronies who are doing the wriggling on this

Disgraceful....

The point still remains, we can not give Scotland the extra powers until the problem of basic democracy in England is sorted out Brown was rash in making the promises

That promise (which now turns out to be an out and out lie) was signed off by all three parties ...and influenced the vote to the extent that it moved from 51% yes to only 45%......if the West Lothian Question needed to be resolved first then it should have been made clear in the speech, and the timetable adjusted accordingly.

Its deceit ......nothing more nothing less

Its debatable whether the Vow and Gordon Brown influenced the result or whether it was down to one rogue poll and the flawed manner in which the polls were interpreted.

51% of those polled by Yougov didnt say they would vote Yes. The polls were all presented after stripping out Dont Knows. The implication being that Dont Knows are equally likely to vote Yes as No.

When Canadian pollsters carry out polls on Quebec independence, the convention they use when presenting the headline results is to allocate one third of Dont Knows to Yes and two thirds to No. Their research shows that Dont Knows are much more inclined to voting No than Yes.

If the UK pollsters had adopted the Canadian convention, none of the polls would have shown a Yes lead, most of the later ones would have accurately predicted the result.