David Conn on Abu Dhabi and Human Rights

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mancunial said:
moomba said:
I'm struggling to work out why we are involved in this. If Conn wants to write about human rights abuses then so be it. But making it about us just stinks of sensationalism to me.
At last this is about city not human rights, conn did not even have to mention the clubs name,
This report was done by Human Rights Watch and Conn, rightly or wrongly, reported it. They specifically mentioned City, he didn't add it. I wonder if they've mentioned Chelsea or Arsenal in relation to human rights abuses in Russia & Uzbekistan. Yet they've done it to us twice now.

I wonder how much publicity they'd get if they hadn't mentioned us? Six lines in The Guardian at best. Yet they're talking about it as a news item on Talksport, not a station that has a distinguished record on highlighting human rights abuses. So they've been shamelessly hypocritical in using our name to promote themselves by issuing a press release accusing our owners of using us to promote themselves.

Someone mentioned Colin Shindler. Well I actually respect Shindler as his view is that he hates City being used as a marketing vehicle for Thailand or Abu Dhabi. He's drawn his line and he's stuck to it. You may well not agree with that but he's entirely consistent. I just wish David Conn would make his mind up. The modern Manchester City is a world which brings his liberal, libertarian views into conflict with the genuine support of the club that goes back to his boyhood. So either come out and say "I'm a hypocrite" and accept it or do what Shindler has done and draw a line in the sand and stand on what he sees as the right side.
 
Just thinking (always a dangerous thing), when Thaksin took over, the Human Rights allegations were levelled almost immediately. I wonder why it has taken the re-establishment of the club, an FA Cup win and a Premier League title to pass before the same has been levelled at our owners? Has the UAE only indulged in Human Rights abuses since taking City over?

Where were the protests from HRW and David Conn when Sheikh Mansour came to the club? Where are the picket lines each match day? Why are the activists not active? Are they sleeping with the sleepers? Am I just looking for the great leap forward?
 
The Abu Dhabi royal family have been over here for decades with horse racing and some racing experts say if they pulled out now horse racing in this country will go right down the pan! So why now with this article and not 10 years ago!?
 
Let's keep Politics out of Sport/Football eh ? If not, it gets messy ...

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waspish said:
The Abu Dhabi royal family have been over here for decades with horse racing and some racing experts say if they pulled out now horse racing in this country will go right down the pan! So why now with this article and not 10 years ago!?

This 100% a dig at City and City only..I wonder did the British government step in to stop Sheikh Masours loan to help out Barclays due to links with human rights offences??
naah..course not..
 
Just sort your Human Rights out then Abu Dhabi - transparent legal systyem, better prisons, rights to appeal, fair and adequate sentences and then there's no problem to be confronted with. Opening discussions with with Amnesty would be a good first step. Do it now to nip such allegations in the bud.
 
David Conn has been on his high horse again with a piece in the Guardian, talking about human rights in the United Arab Emirates and linking it to City, saying City are a vehicle for laundering the Abu Dhabi/UAE government, when he could look out of his own window and see human rights abuses going on here eg extraordinary rendition/aiding passage of prisoners to Guantanamo, Hillsborough, Orgreave, Stephen Lawrence and others. Shameful cover ups, smears of the victims, denials of human rights by UK Police forces etc etc. the list is endless. All disgusting and all happened/happening in Blighty. What about China, Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US etc? Why isn’t David Conn talking about human rights in the Uk and those countries?

Our brave men and women went to Iraq based on lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction. Many lost their lives and many innocent Iraqi’s died too. What about their human rights? Did they have a choice about being invaded by foreign forces?

Don’t get me wrong. Let’s hope that human rights abuses stop everywhere but let’s not pretend that the UK is perfect. After all, who are we to lecture Abu Dhabi on human rights?

If David Conn is going to talk about human rights, he needs to put it into context, rather than dragging City into it, and singling out the UAE. Are they really worse than anyone else? Looking at other examples above, it is reasonable to have serious doubts.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Just sort your Human Rights out then Abu Dhabi - transparent legal systyem, better prisons, rights to appeal, fair and adequate sentences and then there's no problem to be confronted with. Opening discussions with with amnestey would be a good first step. Do it now to nip such allegations in the bud.

Usually once the Guardian sports section covers an issue then everything changes, so no doubt as soon those in power in UAE read Conn's article then democratic reform will be sorted in the morning. A previous Guardian article on doping in East Germany brought down the Berlin Wall.
 
Well, its convenient this article for Amnesty and Mr Conn. I wonder what they and other media outlest were doing during early summer as everyon conveniently did not come out and condemn Israel or oppose their holding of the under 21 tournament and failing to condem Israel for ethnically cleansing Palestinians in Palestine, failing to condemn the occupation of Palestine, uprooting over 10 million out of their own country and occupying a whole country for over 60 years!
 
I see Simon Curtis has written an article - ESPN.-some tongue in cheek humour -
Well worth a read - sorry I cannot provide a link - my IT skills are lacking.
 
Just wonder why he has not had go at the queen who recently praised the UAE government and their investment in the UK.
 
jonmcity said:
Just wonder why he has not had go at the queen who recently praised the UAE government and their investment in the UK.


Its called screwing your future chances of a knighthood. ;)
 
pavelsrnicek said:
GaudinoMotors said:
Just sort your Human Rights out then Abu Dhabi - transparent legal systyem, better prisons, rights to appeal, fair and adequate sentences and then there's no problem to be confronted with. Opening discussions with with amnestey would be a good first step. Do it now to nip such allegations in the bud.

Usually once the Guardian sports section covers an issue then everything changes, so no doubt as soon those in power in UAE read Conn's article then democratic reform will be sorted in the morning. A previous Guardian article on doping in East Germany brought down the Berlin Wall.


I detect a facetious tone - and I take your point to some extent. However - ultimately the Berlin Wall did fall and we are now witnessing the unrest in the Gulf States. Just because we don't want to read or believe anything detrimental to City it shouldn't mean ignore it.
 
Blue Til Death said:
oldhamblue said:
Had all this before with Thaksin. Are there any ethical fans out there who wouldn't support City because of stuff like this? They're the best owners in the world, so I don't give a toss if they're killing a thousand dissenters a day in their own country.

My thoughts exactly, well nearly exactly, I would go to 10,000 dissenters a day
Made me laugh. Bluemoon gallows humour.
 
Bluep*ss said:
I see Simon Curtis has written an article - ESPN.-some tongue in cheek humour -
Well worth a read - sorry I cannot provide a link - my IT skills are lacking.

Here it is........ <a class="postlink" href="http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchestercity/id/1242?cc=5739" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/mancheste ... 42?cc=5739</a>

Jul 3110:55AM BST
Man City as a PR vehicle
Posted by Simon Curtis

Not so long ago the thought that anybody in reasonable control of their mental faculties should entertain the idea of using Manchester City Football Club to cast a positive light across its own reputation would have seemed like Winona Ryder pilfering a good behaviour certificate to prove she had stopped pinching pairs of wide bottomed slacks. What sort of state must a place be in to require Manchester City's presence to make it look better?

These days, however, football - with Manchester City prominent amongst its leading lights - has filtered through the crevice-like gaps in our society to fill every pore of the subconscious. It is the vehicle for advertising behemoths, multinationals peddling anything from airlines to non-existent cash, from casinos to supermarkets. Football is the chosen mule to carry one and all to the top of the mountain, from where they can call out their message to the world.

- Man City owners "using club as vehicle"

As a result of this massive over-exposure, we find football everywhere, from the covers on our teapots to the covers on our headrests as we fly to Dubai. The Premier League, for so long at the forefront of this marketing miracle, a rebranding face wash that has swept all the old chairmen, the butchers, the bakers, the candlestick makers away, swept all the hooligans out to sea, swept all the empty crumbling stadiums into onto the local rubbish tip, is the driving force of this ground-breaking change. Lip gloss and mascara have been applied with an industrial bucket until even the ugliest of football league ducklings is ready for cute international exposure.

Having been part of the biggest facelift in sporting history, our clubs have even become branding vehicles themselves, we are told.

An extravagantly long and wordy article produced by David Conn in the Guardian on Monday claims just that, stating that the Abu Dhabi powers-that-be bought Manchester City in order to take the world's ever-inquisitive gaze away from alleged misdeeds in their own back yard. Accusations that are said to amount to nothing less than serious breaches of human rights, subjugation of ethnic minorities in their workforce and even the systematic torture of detainees. It did not mention whether the torture in question involved having to watch the official DVD of the 2006-7 season under Stuart Pearce, but nevertheless made a number of extremely serious allegations, backed by evidence and quotes from prominent Amnesty International figures.

City have - as is usual - previous in such matters. There was the Altrincham-based TV rentals baron Peter Swales and the former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, whose home nation seized almost £1 billion from the exiled leader after finding him guilty of abusing his power.

Now, with the season hoving gently into view, Conn has trained his double barrels back on Eastlands. Whilst looking through any viewfinder, however, the casual spectator will find that the site around the stadium being transformed from industrial desert into a brand new leisure area that will rival anything seen before in the world of football. He will see that the Abu Dhabi media machine has been extremely busy doing the expensive but low profile public relations, which often go unmentioned in these situations. As ever, there are a variety of subtle shades of grey before you get anywhere near the black and the white.

Contrast this with the "black hole for basic human rights" that the author treats us to. The tiny emirate where people are "disappeared", where idle talk is unwelcome and everything is geared towards increasing growth and positive exposure in its immediate area.

For those of us here for the beer, as it were, little will have changed since Shinawatra departed Manchester. Gary Cooke's famous line about the Thai dictator being an excellent golf partner sounded more than a little lame at the time. Today it still sounds mildly ridiculous, but the salient point is that these allegations of misdeeds cannot merely be ignored, nor can they be brushed under the carpet for somebody to re-find next year.

In a global community where small gulf states can become high profile English Premier League football sponsors and mid-to-low range English clubs can bask in the massive popularity of an audience spread from Bangkok to Anchorage, there are fewer and fewer things that go unnoticed, fewer and fewer things that do not have a link back to the simple joy we find in supporting our local football team.

Having said that, it goes almost without saying that the vast majority of fans on the opening day of the season will spend the half-time break discussing the armadillo-like movements of the new defensive pairing rather than the recent human rights record of the club's owners. This does not make the current discussion less relevant. It must and will be discussed at length by all who possess the time and knowledge to put it into context properly.

The world has become a different place. Transparent, open, negotiable at the press of a button. In the days of Peter Swales and his ilk, when City were backed by the likes of Saab and Phillips (European industrial giants which seem as big as a bluebottle these days), we could never have dreamed it possible to have instant access to information as widely as we do today.

There is a whole world out there and it is getting closer and more familiar to us by the day. Maybe we should take a moment or two to attempt to understand the wider implications, put into proper context and the historical and cultural backdrop first, before we rush to pass judgement on it, however.
 
Why is that article written by a City supporting journalist and not a world affairs journalist?
The reason is that the Guardian is doing EXACTLY what they accuse Abu Dahbi of and using football as a vehicle to put forward their opinion about Abu Dahbi's human rights record.

I should point out that according to Amnesty Britain isn't that great on human rights for those we want to deport as illegals or send overseas for trial either. For Amnesty everyone has rights but no one has responsibilities.
 
It's quite obvious what Mansoor and co have been doing, who had heard of Etihad airways before they sponsored City? who would invest so much money, turning a joke team into title winners, then invest again so that we will then sport the best training facilities in Europe, if not the world?
It's a massive vanity project, designed to project a more positive perception of the Middle East to the West, and you can argue that it's done a bloody good job, what with the rest of the Middle East in the grip of an Arab Spring or civil war, Abu Dhabi seems to be untouched by these matters. But we've recently had Cameron pimping our weapons of oppression, out on a jolly, with a sack full of fighter jets to Abu Dhabi, I don't think our owners are going to be getting the elbow for human rights violations before Cameron and Co are.
Yes it's not perfect, there are violations of human rights, but what about the violations on our own soil, we have pensioners being dumped in granny farms being abused left right and centre, left to whither away without food or beaten by surly nurses, not to mention Tasmeside ( shameside as my mum calls it) where patients are treated like animals, lets not forget the amount of people who die in police custody each year, or the kettling at demo's etc....
yes, no country is perfect, but we should get our own house in order before we should start pointing the finger at other countries, especially if we selling them potential weapons of oppression.
 
City have been a media target since the target with our owners referred to in demeaning terms

Where is Conn's piece on Abramovich and his close links to a corrupt and evil regime in Russia whose human rights record is appalling

Where is his condemnation of those American owners whose support of the political regime in America a regime which has been accused of prisoner torture and breaches in human rights

And where is the condemnation of the Jewish owners who support Israel a country which has been accused of many breaches of human rights

My point is if you have an argument to make it is easy find evidence and support to that argument what it isnt easy to do and Conn has made no attempt to do it is to right a balanced piece allowing the reader to make up his mind.

The UAE has been praised by politicians in the UK if things were so bad surely there would have been a furore in the papers but there hasnt

Maybe the anger of one individual should not be the basis for a witch-hunt against our owner and our club
 

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