David Silva in CM

[Jumanji]

As I've said a few times in the past, in my opinion, Mancini will go for the 4-5-1/4-3-3 hybrid and is building towards this. The only real thing that we lack is a DM who can spray balls around, we use De Jong as a stopper. This isn't that big of a deal, Chelsea used Makelele during their transition period, and Bayern/Inter did the same with Van Bommel/Vieira.

Bollocks. I don't know what you're suggesting here as Chelsea were a much better side when Makelele was there and nobody was "spraying".

This eventually leads to a Pirlo/Alonso type who can defend and close down but can also have a range of passing to bring the wider players into the game and allow the CMs in front of him to be more mobile.

Pirlo has never been good at defending and has never done any defending, Gattuso and Ambrosini have been the men defending for Milan over the years.

The thing is, when you play wide players in this formation, they aren't actually wingers, they are people who either cut inside behind the frontman, or make runs to be the man up top. For those of you who watched Mourinho's Inter last year, or even this year, you'll notice the similarities in style and formation.

That's not true at all. In 50% of teams using this formation, the main objective is to cross the ball in from the wide areas, not necessarily to cut in.

Mourinho then picked up on this

Lmao. He's been playing the formation long before Ronaldo and Rooney came along.

and started playing two strikers out wide with a lone frontman (Balo/Eto'o/Suazo and Milito/Pandev). He carried this on at Real with Benzema/Higuain/Ronaldo. Actually, one of the reasons why I think that he's not really setted there is because he has Ozil and Di Maria in the squad who aren't "Mourinho players".

Total guesswork. Pandev never played as a striker, only ever on the wings. Suazo never played at all. Mourinho does play 451, but the reason for playing Eto'o RW was because he was the best RW on offer, Milito was hardly going to do it, but Eto'o could. Mourinho started off in the PL using Robben and Duff as wingers, hardly what you'd call "strikers out wide".

Not settled in Madrid? He's barely done a thing wrong out there but when you're facing Barca in this kind of form no matter what you do will fall short. The results he's obtained this season would more than warrant 1st place and 10 points clear in any other league. He was never going to be able to keep up with Barca.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that this tactic eventually develops into three strikers on the pitch, and I think that the Dzeko signing (big targetman instead of false nine like Tevez) is another big indicator of where we are going.

No it doesn't. Dzeko was probably brought in because Mancini was sick of 20 crosses being hit into the box per game with nobody in the box, because we need a better squad, and because our only other goalscorer spends 99% of the game outside the box.

Toure would take the Barry role of understated midfield general (which is exactly the same role as Carrick played in this formation at United, or Khedira/Diarra at Madrid or Cambiasso at Inter).

That isn't Cambiasso's role.

I've heard people recently say that we don't have any cover for Silva, but with him out wide, we have Tevez who can play there without a problem and is just as creative/important. If he moved into the centre though, we would need to sign again.

Tevez isn't creative in the slightest. He's a greedy shit and every pass he plays he plays with the intention of getting it back sometime soon, not to progress as a side.

Obviously not as a De Jong stopper, but more of a Cambiasso type player

Hahahah goodness me, Cambiasso is the same kind of player as de Jong, exactly the same, he is nothing but someone who breaks up the play and puts in tackles, he does not have any kind of passing range. You've obviously only ever seen him in the CL and have probably been fooled by the occasional forward run and a goal against Chelsea.

Oh and stop saying "false nine", it makes me sick when you say that.

Damn son... If any of what you said was hot air, you sure made it seem like you know what you're talking about.

 

[deJong_Ones]

Silva clearly isn't comfortable making long passes, it's the touch and go stuff he seems to relish which is better suited up the pitch. But there's no point him being too far forwards, because his goalscoring threat is minimal

it's a puzzler

 

[Didsbury Dave]

As I've said a few times in the past, in my opinion, Mancini will go for the 4-5-1/4-3-3 hybrid and is building towards this. The only real thing that we lack is a DM who can spray balls around, we use De Jong as a stopper. This isn't that big of a deal, Chelsea used Makelele during their transition period, and Bayern/Inter did the same with Van Bommel/Vieira.

Bollocks. I don't know what you're suggesting here as Chelsea were a much better side when Makelele was there and nobody was "spraying".

This eventually leads to a Pirlo/Alonso type who can defend and close down but can also have a range of passing to bring the wider players into the game and allow the CMs in front of him to be more mobile.

Pirlo has never been good at defending and has never done any defending, Gattuso and Ambrosini have been the men defending for Milan over the years.

The thing is, when you play wide players in this formation, they aren't actually wingers, they are people who either cut inside behind the frontman, or make runs to be the man up top. For those of you who watched Mourinho's Inter last year, or even this year, you'll notice the similarities in style and formation.

That's not true at all. In 50% of teams using this formation, the main objective is to cross the ball in from the wide areas, not necessarily to cut in.

Mourinho then picked up on this

Lmao. He's been playing the formation long before Ronaldo and Rooney came along.

and started playing two strikers out wide with a lone frontman (Balo/Eto'o/Suazo and Milito/Pandev). He carried this on at Real with Benzema/Higuain/Ronaldo. Actually, one of the reasons why I think that he's not really setted there is because he has Ozil and Di Maria in the squad who aren't "Mourinho players".

Total guesswork. Pandev never played as a striker, only ever on the wings. Suazo never played at all. Mourinho does play 451, but the reason for playing Eto'o RW was because he was the best RW on offer, Milito was hardly going to do it, but Eto'o could. Mourinho started off in the PL using Robben and Duff as wingers, hardly what you'd call "strikers out wide".

Not settled in Madrid? He's barely done a thing wrong out there but when you're facing Barca in this kind of form no matter what you do will fall short. The results he's obtained this season would more than warrant 1st place and 10 points clear in any other league. He was never going to be able to keep up with Barca.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that this tactic eventually develops into three strikers on the pitch, and I think that the Dzeko signing (big targetman instead of false nine like Tevez) is another big indicator of where we are going.

No it doesn't. Dzeko was probably brought in because Mancini was sick of 20 crosses being hit into the box per game with nobody in the box, because we need a better squad, and because our only other goalscorer spends 99% of the game outside the box.

Toure would take the Barry role of understated midfield general (which is exactly the same role as Carrick played in this formation at United, or Khedira/Diarra at Madrid or Cambiasso at Inter).

That isn't Cambiasso's role.

I've heard people recently say that we don't have any cover for Silva, but with him out wide, we have Tevez who can play there without a problem and is just as creative/important. If he moved into the centre though, we would need to sign again.

Tevez isn't creative in the slightest. He's a greedy shit and every pass he plays he plays with the intention of getting it back sometime soon, not to progress as a side.

Obviously not as a De Jong stopper, but more of a Cambiasso type player

Hahahah goodness me, Cambiasso is the same kind of player as de Jong, exactly the same, he is nothing but someone who breaks up the play and puts in tackles, he does not have any kind of passing range. You've obviously only ever seen him in the CL and have probably been fooled by the occasional forward run and a goal against Chelsea.

Oh and stop saying "false nine", it makes me sick when you say that.

I believe the term in your circles, dammers, is "owned"

 

[rastus]

As I've said a few times in the past, in my opinion, Mancini will go for the 4-5-1/4-3-3 hybrid and is building towards this. The only real thing that we lack is a DM who can spray balls around, we use De Jong as a stopper. This isn't that big of a deal, Chelsea used Makelele during their transition period, and Bayern/Inter did the same with Van Bommel/Vieira.

Bollocks. I don't know what you're suggesting here as Chelsea were a much better side when Makelele was there and nobody was "spraying".

This eventually leads to a Pirlo/Alonso type who can defend and close down but can also have a range of passing to bring the wider players into the game and allow the CMs in front of him to be more mobile.

Pirlo has never been good at defending and has never done any defending, Gattuso and Ambrosini have been the men defending for Milan over the years.

The thing is, when you play wide players in this formation, they aren't actually wingers, they are people who either cut inside behind the frontman, or make runs to be the man up top. For those of you who watched Mourinho's Inter last year, or even this year, you'll notice the similarities in style and formation.

That's not true at all. In 50% of teams using this formation, the main objective is to cross the ball in from the wide areas, not necessarily to cut in.

Mourinho then picked up on this

Lmao. He's been playing the formation long before Ronaldo and Rooney came along.

and started playing two strikers out wide with a lone frontman (Balo/Eto'o/Suazo and Milito/Pandev). He carried this on at Real with Benzema/Higuain/Ronaldo. Actually, one of the reasons why I think that he's not really setted there is because he has Ozil and Di Maria in the squad who aren't "Mourinho players".

Total guesswork. Pandev never played as a striker, only ever on the wings. Suazo never played at all. Mourinho does play 451, but the reason for playing Eto'o RW was because he was the best RW on offer, Milito was hardly going to do it, but Eto'o could. Mourinho started off in the PL using Robben and Duff as wingers, hardly what you'd call "strikers out wide".

Not settled in Madrid? He's barely done a thing wrong out there but when you're facing Barca in this kind of form no matter what you do will fall short. The results he's obtained this season would more than warrant 1st place and 10 points clear in any other league. He was never going to be able to keep up with Barca.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that this tactic eventually develops into three strikers on the pitch, and I think that the Dzeko signing (big targetman instead of false nine like Tevez) is another big indicator of where we are going.

No it doesn't. Dzeko was probably brought in because Mancini was sick of 20 crosses being hit into the box per game with nobody in the box, because we need a better squad, and because our only other goalscorer spends 99% of the game outside the box.

Toure would take the Barry role of understated midfield general (which is exactly the same role as Carrick played in this formation at United, or Khedira/Diarra at Madrid or Cambiasso at Inter).

That isn't Cambiasso's role.

I've heard people recently say that we don't have any cover for Silva, but with him out wide, we have Tevez who can play there without a problem and is just as creative/important. If he moved into the centre though, we would need to sign again.

Tevez isn't creative in the slightest. He's a greedy shit and every pass he plays he plays with the intention of getting it back sometime soon, not to progress as a side.

Obviously not as a De Jong stopper, but more of a Cambiasso type player

Hahahah goodness me, Cambiasso is the same kind of player as de Jong, exactly the same, he is nothing but someone who breaks up the play and puts in tackles, he does not have any kind of passing range. You've obviously only ever seen him in the CL and have probably been fooled by the occasional forward run and a goal against Chelsea.

Oh and stop saying "false nine", it makes me sick when you say that.

Wow you are so wrong about Cambiasso, it makes me doubt your other points...but not too much ;)

 

[Jumanji]

Bollocks. I don't know what you're suggesting here as Chelsea were a much better side when Makelele was there and nobody was "spraying".



Pirlo has never been good at defending and has never done any defending, Gattuso and Ambrosini have been the men defending for Milan over the years.



That's not true at all. In 50% of teams using this formation, the main objective is to cross the ball in from the wide areas, not necessarily to cut in.



Lmao. He's been playing the formation long before Ronaldo and Rooney came along.



Total guesswork. Pandev never played as a striker, only ever on the wings. Suazo never played at all. Mourinho does play 451, but the reason for playing Eto'o RW was because he was the best RW on offer, Milito was hardly going to do it, but Eto'o could. Mourinho started off in the PL using Robben and Duff as wingers, hardly what you'd call "strikers out wide".

Not settled in Madrid? He's barely done a thing wrong out there but when you're facing Barca in this kind of form no matter what you do will fall short. The results he's obtained this season would more than warrant 1st place and 10 points clear in any other league. He was never going to be able to keep up with Barca.



No it doesn't. Dzeko was probably brought in because Mancini was sick of 20 crosses being hit into the box per game with nobody in the box, because we need a better squad, and because our only other goalscorer spends 99% of the game outside the box.



That isn't Cambiasso's role.



Tevez isn't creative in the slightest. He's a greedy shit and every pass he plays he plays with the intention of getting it back sometime soon, not to progress as a side.




Hahahah goodness me, Cambiasso is the same kind of player as de Jong, exactly the same, he is nothing but someone who breaks up the play and puts in tackles, he does not have any kind of passing range. You've obviously only ever seen him in the CL and have probably been fooled by the occasional forward run and a goal against Chelsea.

Oh and stop saying "false nine", it makes me sick when you say that.

Wow you are so wrong about Cambiasso, it makes me doubt your other points...but not too much ;)

Well if you're gonna call somebody out, tell them how they're wrong. So....how IS he wrong about camby?

 

[rastus]

Wow you are so wrong about Cambiasso, it makes me doubt your other points...but not too much ;)

Well if you're gonna call somebody out, tell them how they're wrong. So....how IS he wrong about camby?

Well they may play in the same position but Cambiasso is a great player who is a complete defencive midfielder with the ability to create forward movement, with great passing ability and the abilaty to score goals.
But apart from that Im struggling

 

[Kompany33]

He's not complete at all, he is the best DM in the world, incredible positionally, in the tackle, does everything a DM is required to do very, very well, but he's not a complete midfielder by all means. He doesn't have a great passing range, his passing is marginally better than de Jong's, de Jong's passing is probably better than a lot give him credit for because he conciously tries to keep it simple. Cambiasso can start attacks yes, he's good at carrying the ball and is more adventurous than de Jong, but I don't think you can say I'm wrong in any way about Cambiasso, I've studied him religiously, including watching Inter vs Chelsea at least 5 times for a match compilation of Inter's defence.

 

[rastus]

OK but youve not studied or watched hard enough, there is a thin line between madness and brilliance.

 

[Kompany33]

Lol, don't make me laugh. I am better equipped to judge than anybody on this forum.

The most complete DM in world football right now is Sergi Busquets.

 

[Andouble]

Lol, don't make me laugh. I am better equipped to judge than anybody on this forum.

to put it as politely as possible, get off your fucking high horse.