Dayot Upamecano

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

Don't see the hype about him

All the raw tools that makes a dominant worldclass defender. Very fast, very strong, good defending skills, read the game well, good on the ball, very good passing and passing range for a CB.

However his brainfarts and lapses of concetration has cost him and Leizig. The period from new year to before the Corona break he seemed to have erased those misstakes out of his game and the hype was justified. After the corona break however his performance's has left a lot to be desired

I still think his time will come, and that he will be world class in the future if he stays injury free. Erasing brainfarts out of the game is usually something that comes with age. Upamecano is a lot better and more complete than Van Dijk and Koulibaly at the same age.

However after the break he has shown that a transfer to a club like Man City is definitely still too early for him, he's still raw

 

[ctid1894]

All the raw tools that makes a dominant worldclass defender. Very fast, very strong, good defending skills, read the game well, good on the ball, very good passing and passing range for a CB.

However his brainfarts and lapses of concetration has cost him and Leizig. The period from new year to before the Corona break he seemed to have erased those misstakes out of his game and the hype was justified. After the corona break however his performance's has left a lot to be desired

I still think his time will come, and that he will be world class in the future if he stays injury free. Erasing brainfarts out of the game is usually something that comes with age. Upamecano is a lot better and more complete than Van Dijk and Koulibaly at the same age.

However after the break he has shown that a transfer to a club like Man City is definitely still too early for him, he's still raw

As the old saying goes "form is temporary, class is permanent". I'm glad you've finally seen Upamecano for what he actually is, rather than just telling us all he's world class already.

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

As the old saying goes "form is temporary, class is permanent". I'm glad you've finally seen Upamecano for what he actually is, rather than just telling us all he's world class already.

I mean there was legitimate reasons to believe that he had left those brainfarts behind him given that he had looked class and made minimal misstakes for almost half a year. He's still better than what we have at RCB and he's still a world class prospect that can turn it around. These months without football seems to have hit hard on all bundesliga defences. The more I think about it, the more I think we should just get a readymade world class CB like Koulibaly and Skriniar, especially if we can avoid the CL ban. Read the summer transfers thread, I explain it better there

 

[decmancity]

All the raw tools that makes a dominant worldclass defender. Very fast, very strong, good defending skills, read the game well, good on the ball, very good passing and passing range for a CB.

However his brainfarts and lapses of concetration has cost him and Leizig. The period from new year to before the Corona break he seemed to have erased those misstakes out of his game and the hype was justified. After the corona break however his performance's has left a lot to be desired

I still think his time will come, and that he will be world class in the future if he stays injury free. Erasing brainfarts out of the game is usually something that comes with age. Upamecano is a lot better and more complete than Van Dijk and Koulibaly at the same age.

However after the break he has shown that a transfer to a club like Man City is definitely still too early for him, he's still raw

Mangala was the exact same as this lad, arguably more proven. I still maintain that had we been able to get Mangala and Kompany together for a run of games and a decent LB we would have seen a much better player. I don't think Upamecano is the option for us at the minute.

 

[ctid1894]

I mean there was legitimate reasons to believe that he had left those brainfarts behind him given that he had looked class and made minimal misstakes for almost half a year. He's still better than what we have at RCB and he's still a world class prospect that can turn it around. These months without football seems to have hit hard on all bundesliga defences. The more I think about it, the more I think we should just get a readymade world class CB like Koulibaly and Skriniar, especially if we can avoid the CL ban. Read the summer transfers thread, I explain it better there

A period of 3-6 months is just good form, it's not sustained enough to think anyone is finally world class. I think it's unfair to say he's better than what we have too, Stones has had periods of 3-6 months when he's looked very good as well, same with Otamendi, it means nothing unless it's sustainable.

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

A period of 3-6 months is just good form, it's not sustained enough to think anyone is finally world class. I think it's unfair to say he's better than what we have too, Stones has had periods of 3-6 months when he's looked very good as well, same with Otamendi, it means nothing unless it's sustainable.

Never said he was world class, that you must've imagined or dreamt of. I've always said he can be world class and that is an very objective opinion

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

Mangala was the exact same as this lad, arguably more proven. I still maintain that had we been able to get Mangala and Kompany together for a run of games and a decent LB we would have seen a much better player. I don't think Upamecano is the option for us at the minute.

Mangala was nowhere near as good as Upamecano on the ball and when it comes to passing

 

[ctid1894]

Never said he was world class, that you must've imagined or dreamt of. I've always said he can be world class and that is an very objective opinion

My apologies if you haven't, I was sure somewhere in the mountains of compliments about him you had but I stand corrected.

 

[better dead than red]

I wish i was never wrong, like the rest of you fuckers. Must be a joy to go through life knowing everything about everything and always being on the correct side of every issue.

 

[decmancity]

Mangala was nowhere near as good as Upamecano on the ball and when it comes to passing

He consistently had a good passing % since he broke into the team at Porto, plenty of videos of his short and long range passing whilst at Porto.

I don't get the feeling Pep is looking for a CB to hit passes into the channels. Laporte is capable of course but otherwise the CBs just normally rotate the ball and keep it moving.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Never said he was world class, that you must've imagined or dreamt of. I've always said he can be world class and that is an very objective opinion

Anyone who is assessing Upamecano on his 2 displays since the restart is a clown, no he has not played well nobody has, Angelino was the best player in the first game yet he did not play particularly well, he is 1 year older that Garcia and he is a starter in a top team, he is also playing better than Stones was at that age

 

[Kladze]

Before his injury, Konaté looked the best of the three (Konaté, Upamecano, Mukiele). Shame about his injury, though. Would've been a good signing for us this summer, I think.

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

Anyone who is assessing Upamecano on his 2 displays since the restart is a clown, no he has not played well nobody has, Angelino was the best player in the first game yet he did not play particularly well, he is 1 year older that Garcia and he is a starter in a top team, he is also playing better than Stones was at that age

He's two years older than Garcia but your point still stands. However someone like Tapsoba has looked like he has played matches every week during lockdown while other targets like Upamecano and Elvedi has struggled big time. Tah who we have been linked to has even struggled to make it onto the pitch. Players will react different to months without matches, Brandt and Sancho looks like they've eaten nothing but deep fried chicken and cake every day during lookdown but still has impressed now after the pause.

I think it's unfair to judge players after the restart until at least 5 games has been played so they can gain some match fitness, rhytm and form back. That would be from next gameweek going forward

 

[ctid1894]

Anyone who is assessing Upamecano on his 2 displays since the restart is a clown, no he has not played well nobody has, Angelino was the best player in the first game yet he did not play particularly well, he is 1 year older that Garcia and he is a starter in a top team, he is also playing better than Stones was at that age

The only problem Stones has had is a failure to eradicate mistakes from his game, exactly the same problem Upamecano has. A lot of posters say Upamecano will learn to eradicate those mistakes with experience but the exact same was said about Stones a few years ago, there's no guarantees.

He's got a lot of potential but that's all it is, the exact same as Stones, Garcia and Adaradiayo but still people claim we should spend a small fortune on him, I don't get it.

 

[ctid1894]

I think it's unfair to judge players after the restart until at least 5 games has been played so they can gain some match fitness, rhytm and form back. That would be from next gameweek going forward

I hope the FA don't use the same excuse as we'll have to give the Charity Shield back and drop 10 points from the start of the season. I hope if Stones has a few bad games after a spell out injured you give him the same impunity to criticism, I suspect you and 90% of other posters won't be so forgiving though.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

The only problem Stones has had is a failure to eradicate mistakes from his game, exactly the same problem Upamecano has. A lot of posters say Upamecano will learn to eradicate those mistakes with experience but the exact same was said about Stones a few years ago, there's no guarantees.

He's got a lot of potential but that's all it is, the exact same as Stones, Garcia and Adaradiayo but still people claim we should spend a small fortune on him, I don't get it.

Maybe, but physically Upamecano is on a completely different planet. Stones gets pushed off the ball far too easily and isn't brilliant in the air. We concede most of our goals either from set-pieces or on the break - I think his pace and strength could add another dimension to our defence.

 

[ctid1894]

Maybe, but physically Upamecano is on a completely different planet. Stones gets pushed off the ball far too easily and isn't brilliant in the air. We concede most of our goals either from set-pieces or on the break - I think his pace and strength could add another dimension to our defence.

I love this comment, physicality has its pros and cons just like everything else but it's crazy how much emphasis people put on physicality, when it's just a tiny element of what makes up a players game.

We forget very quickly we were the smallest team in the league the last two years. Everyone said Pep wouldn't be able to cut it in this country and his style of football wouldn't work, it did, yes we adapted and had to have a good balance between physicality, technicality, tactical discipline and mentality but that's all it was, a tiny element of what makes up a teams game.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

I love this comment, physicality has its pros and cons just like everything else but it's crazy how much emphasis people put on physicality, when it's just a tiny element of what makes up a players game.

We forget very quickly we were the smallest team in the league the last two years. Everyone said Pep wouldn't be able to cut it in this country and his style of football wouldn't work, it did, yes we adapted and had to have a good balance between physicality, technicality, tactical discipline and mentality but that's all it was, a tiny element of what makes up a teams game.

It's not a tiny part of the game though is it? Otherwise all your CBs would be 5ft6.
In a defender, pace & power are two huge parts of the game. Intelligence, managing a back line, positional sense etc are all important, but if you've got an absolutely rapid winger about to counter, or they're about to swing in a cross onto their 6ft4 striker's head, a physical player can make all the difference.

Besides, Upamecano ranks pretty highly for passing % and playing out from the back, so it's not like it's a sacrifice. He's just had a few bad games.

 

[ctid1894]

It's not a tiny part of the game though is it? Otherwise all your CBs would be 5ft6.
In a defender, pace & power are two huge parts of the game. Intelligence, managing a back line, positional sense etc are all important, but if you've got an absolutely rapid winger about to counter, or they're about to swing in a cross onto their 6ft4 striker's head, a physical player can make all the difference.

Besides, Upamecano ranks pretty highly for passing % and playing out from the back, so it's not like it's a sacrifice. He's just had a few bad games.

You'll have to try and explain how Mangala is a better central defender than Cannavaro to me.

You can't have the biggest, fastest, most skillful technically gifted, tactically astute players with a perfect mentality all the time because there's only a finite number of them available; hence why Laporte, Kompany and VVD are so highly sought after and so infrequently available. You have to make compromises somewhere and I place a far higher value on the technical, tactical and mental aspects of the game than physicality. That's not to say I'm advocating signing Paulo Maldini in his 50's, I obviously mean reasonable compromises.

You clearly don't, it's no problem, we just have differing opinions. You'll never change my mind and I'll never change yours.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

You'll have to try and explain how Mangala is a better central defender than Cannavaro to me.

You can't have the biggest, fastest, most skillful technically gifted, tactically astute players with a perfect mentality all the time because there's only a finite number of them available; hence why Laporte, Kompany and VVD are so highly sought after and so infrequently available. You have to make compromises somewhere and I place a far higher value on the technical, tactical and mental aspects of the game than physicality. That's not to say I'm advocating signing Paulo Maldini in his 50's, I obviously mean reasonable compromises.

You clearly don't, it's no problem, we just have differing opinions. You'll never change my mind and I'll never change yours.

Are we really comparing Mangala with a World Cup & Balon D'or winner?

You're right, it's incredibly rare to find a CB that ticks every box, but for the price, his age, his physical and technical ability, I think he's the best realistic option. Having a stronger team & Pep coaching him could improve him dramatically in terms of concentration. He'd be a massive upgrade to Otamendi & Stones.