Deal agreed with Bayern Munich for Leroy Sane - €60m (including add-ons)

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not at all, just people who pitch or peddle the drivel you have been spouting at times has a whift of somone who shouldn’t frequent this forum young man.

Take the hint.

toodle pip.
You shouldn’t be surprised to learn that I don’t take hints from intolerant people like you who snipe disparagingly from the sidelines without justifying your comments or attempting to engage in any meaningful way.
 
You shouldn’t be surprised to learn that I don’t take hints from intolerant people like you who snipe disparagingly from the sidelines without justifying your comments or attempting to engage in any meaningful way.

it wasn’t a hint, I was telling.

a typical rag or dipper, keep leaving your bait out but some, like me won’t bite mate.

I will watch on fondly whilst you cast it out, trying for bites on your pro BM crusade.

as you were.
 
You seem to have as pitiful a grasp of maths and statistical knowledge as Swales demonstrated while at City

You don’t have the intellect to look more deeply into a very basic simple headline stat.
And once again the simplistic nature of your thought process stifles sensible debate.

You have a niche habit of mocking Fellow city fans, which clearly demonstrates your allegiances away from the blue side of Manchester.

Either bored, underused or unwanted Nub, or little to friends can be the only diagnosis.

As you were.
 
it wasn’t a hint, I was telling.

a typical rag or dipper, keep leaving your bait out but some, like me won’t bite mate.

I will watch on fondly whilst you cast it out, trying for bites on your pro BM crusa

as you were.
Pro common sense and pro City, not bothered either way about Bayern
 
Pro common sense and pro City, not bothered either way about Bayern
If clowns have a go at me merely for voicing a different opinion I’ll have a go back. Had plenty of civilised tête-à-têtes but the two posters in question particularly the one the 2nd post was aimed at just came full on with abuse right from the off.

Even in your case you start off with a little jibe, fairplay it was done in a humorous way and taken as such but then quickly you resort to rag / dipper comments. No logic to it at all - I don’t hate Bayern therefore I’m a rag seems to be your train of thought.
 
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everybody has had a view on this sane thread ? BUT i would like to know the full value of sane to manchester city long term. and should a better offer have been made by the club in the first place ?

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also would sane have seen it that manchester city wanted him and signed a long term new deal ? and would it made a closed shop on munich wanting him on the cheap or for nothing
 
If clowns have a go at me merely for voicing a different opinion I’ll have a go back. Had plenty of civilised tête-à-têtes but the two posters in question particularly the one the 2nd post was aimed at just came full on with abuse right from the off.

Even in your case you start off with a little jibe, fairplay it was done in a humorous way and taken as such but then quickly you resort to rag / dipper comments. No logic to it at all - I don’t hate Bayern therefore I’m a rag seems to be your train of thought.
Why are you arguing with yourself Brooklands Blue?
 
What’s short term or long term anyway. Where is this arbitrary line at which short term becomes long term. In this day and age if you stay at a club 3 yrs that could be considered long term. Pep was at Barca 4 years and Bayern 3 years - is he a short term success too ?

Try telling inter Milan or Porto or Chelsea fans or City fans under Mancini and Manuel that short term success is irrelevant. Success is success. The vast majority of football success is short term. There are very few dynasties anymore and where they do occur it’s usually because the league is fucked up by CL money and historic dominance.
You have a few valid points because football fans will accept success of any description, especially when they've not had any or much for a lengthy period beforehand. However long term management isn't just about the way you operate when you're in charge, it's also the state you leave the club in when you leave. Football works in cycles of 2-3 years. We know if Pep left tomorrow his legacy in terms of style of play, player development and winning mentality would still be very much part of the clubs and players mindset. Whoever came in to take charge would just have to evolve things, not make wholesale changes.

Mourinho doesn't give a toss about the future, he's focused on short term success and short term success only. I think Pep could do more in youth development, I'd love to see Foden and Garcia getting more game time but that's a minor criticism because overall we're developing a youthfulness and players who are earmarked for future roles (e.g. Couto). It may never happen but at least he's trying, the idea isn't just about the here and now, it's also trying to build a team and infrastructure for sustainable long term success.

Anyway we're getting hugely off topic, this is the Sane thread and management styles is just a tiny factor within that, so let's agree to disagree on the remaining points and shut the hell up, both of us.
 
He was a success though.

And according to some the same thing happened to Mancini. Assuming that was true I took Mancini’s side, who cares if he’s brusque with the tea lady - get a new tea lady, who cares if some players feel unloved - the manager drives the group to success.


Prefer Pep’s approach personally
 
Simply cant sell or we fall further behind Liverpool.
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And if Liverpool* sign werner we'll get relegated yeah?

You couldn't wind a clock up pal, shittest WUM we've ever had.
 
Prefer Pep’s approach personally
Albert Einstein:
“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”

But the tea lady can go fuck herself if you're Boris Becker's Backhand, shows the type of person behind the username. Leave him to it fella.
 
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everybody has had a view on this sane thread ? BUT i would like to know the full value of sane to manchester city long term. and should a better offer have been made by the club in the first place ?

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also would sane have seen it that manchester city wanted him and signed a long term new deal ? and would it made a closed shop on munich wanting him on the cheap or for nothing

Valiant attempt to get the thread back on topic ;-)

1. A Leroy Sane who wants to be here for the foreseeable would be fabulous ( akin to having a £100m+ player if he signed a new contract and would save us a lot of money in the market to find someone comparable, which is almost impossible). I think he wants the move for whatever reasons so we probably now need to make the best of a bad situation.

From info on here he’s currently on £75k, we offered £150k or thereabouts but he is seeking far more to be aligned with the highest earners.

Is he worth half a Sterling? My feeling is that if he signed a new contract when first offered it and he had a season or two playing at a consistently high level then the club would have rewarded that mid contract. Post injury he and the German rags have the advantage unless we take the hit (I don’t think we will do that).

We are well run, the club in the main bid or offer what we believe is fair value for a player or contract, the alternative is the Sanchez/De Gea/Pogba road to ruin.

2. Until Leroy divulges his thoughts we won’t know. Playing for “the biggest team in Germany” / a huge pay packet / bringing up his child in his homeland / “Pep wants me to track back too much” might all be factors.

We don’t lose many players but it will be a real shame to lose a great player to those cnuts.
 
And by doing that, what message does it send to the rest of the squad?

If you read my post i do say "It does have consequences for the whole wage structure of a club, so it is not the best thing to do."
I was just giving a scenario (to those saying Bayern have the all power) where if we really wanted to keep him we probably could.
 
Albert Einstein:
“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”

But the tea lady can go fuck herself if you're Boris Becker's Backhand, shows the type of person behind the username. Leave him to it fella.

"Chappie" didn't like him, I suppose he didn't want a clown around which I fully understand, but he snubbed Moonie which wasn't on!
 
Valiant attempt to get the thread back on topic ;-)

1. A Leroy Sane who wants to be here for the foreseeable would be fabulous ( akin to having a £100m+ player if he signed a new contract and would save us a lot of money in the market to find someone comparable, which is almost impossible). I think he wants the move for whatever reasons so we probably now need to make the best of a bad situation.

From info on here he’s currently on £75k, we offered £150k or thereabouts but he is seeking far more to be aligned with the highest earners.

Is he worth half a Sterling? My feeling is that if he signed a new contract when first offered it and he had a season or two playing at a consistently high level then the club would have rewarded that mid contract. Post injury he and the German rags have the advantage unless we take the hit (I don’t think we will do that).

We are well run, the club in the main bid or offer what we believe is fair value for a player or contract, the alternative is the Sanchez/De Gea/Pogba road to ruin.

2. Until Leroy divulges his thoughts we won’t know. Playing for “the biggest team in Germany” / a huge pay packet / bringing up his child in his homeland / “Pep wants me to track back too much” might all be factors.

We don’t lose many players but it will be a real shame to lose a great player to those cnuts.

My personal feeling is, it has been about playing time for him, up until the injury.

He didn't really want to go last summer (or he'd have bloody gone), that's why bayern had to do all that balltickling in public, to try get him on the hook, how many times have we heard them say 'if he wants to come', and other proclamations how good it would be for him, etc.

He clearly didn't want to commit either, (or he'd have signed already), may be the money was not right, or may be he wantrd to see how much he'd feature over the season. He didn't havd much to lose, he is young, no need to force himself into a move, or into a long term contract, take a season to assess it, and see, and by the end of it his podition with both us and bayern is stonger (we offer more money if he has shown he deserves it, they can offer less in transfer fees, he gets more). That's why i would imagine he said nothing either way.

Similarly, the club had no need to push a sale, or a contract. they'd get him for a whole season playing and contributing, after which he'd either sign a new deal, or his value would still be high enough, whether it is for bayern or anyone else offering the right amount. Besides, it isnt like bayern were even close to offering half his value, despite all the public bullshit.

The injury+covid, and a season without football changed all that, he is as good as gone now imho. In some ways both choices are weakened, but the choice of staying is probably totally gone now.
He is neither going to get the money he supposedly wanted, nor the assurance of football with us now, no chance, not in his last season after a lengthy injury. Whereas he will still get his move, and bayern can offer less, heck they dont even need the encouragement they were fishing for last summer, they can just take a punt on it.

For me thats unfortunate, could maybe have worked out different, he and the club were willing to take a chance over a season, that chance is now gone, and now so is leroy most likely, it is just about reaching that number, when bayern stop fannying about.
 
My personal feeling is, it has been about playing time for him, up until the injury.

He didn't really want to go last summer (or he'd have bloody gone), that's why bayern had to do all that balltickling in public, to try get him on the hook, how many times have we heard them say 'if he wants to come', and other proclamations how good it would be for him, etc.

He clearly didn't want to commit either, (or he'd have signed already), may be the money was not right, or may be he wantrd to see how much he'd feature over the season. He didn't havd much to lose, he is young, no need to force himself into a move, or into a long term contract, take a season to assess it, and see, and by the end of it his podition with both us and bayern is stonger (we offer more money if he has shown he deserves it, they can offer less in transfer fees, he gets more). That's why i would imagine he said nothing either way.

Similarly, the club had no need to push a sale, or a contract. they'd get him for a whole season playing and contributing, after which he'd either sign a new deal, or his value would still be high enough, whether it is for bayern or anyone else offering the right amount. Besides, it isnt like bayern were even close to offering half his value, despite all the public bullshit.

The injury+covid, and a season without football changed all that, he is as good as gone now imho. In some ways both choices are weakened, but the choice of staying is probably totally gone now.
He is neither going to get the money he supposedly wanted, nor the assurance of football with us now, no chance, not in his last season after a lengthy injury. Whereas he will still get his move, and bayern can offer less, heck they dont even need the encouragement they were fishing for last summer, they can just take a punt on it.

For me thats unfortunate, could maybe have worked out different, he and the club were willing to take a chance over a season, that chance is now gone, and now so is leroy most likely, it is just about reaching that number, when bayern stop fannying about.


If it was about playing time why didn’t he sign a new context before last season? Bayern been nibbling at him since he came here!
 
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