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razman said:
Feel bad for Phillips! Have to give him one more season and then see
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I certainly thought this too. I was never a fan and was opposed to us signing him but thought he was worth another season. However, if what TH says is correct, then Pep really doesn’t want him and we know that means he won’t get played. We may as well plan for being without him, we can’t and won’t play an individual who doesn’t fit, regardless of whether they are a good lad. Sounds harsh but these lads are well paid and the stakes are too high for passengers. No point in him having another season if he isn’t going to get on the pitch
 
richards30 said:
Have the arse got a fee agreed then and we have asked for time? Last I saw was west ham laughed at the flat fee and payment schedule but also the add ons included them winning the league and champions league?
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Arsenal have no fee agreed as yet.

Strange tactics from them. If they are waiting for City they've already lost.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
If he only wants to go to Arsenal and they are bidding against themselves, you have to ask why the deal isn't done?

We have been waiting on Phillips. He knows we are prepared to let him leave.

Kalvin might want to stay, but it's being made clear he won't get many opportunities again next season.
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Honestly, if Pep does to Phillips what he did to Joe Hart I don’t see how he could possibly want to stay. It’s crystal clear Pep sees it exactly the same way, if he lets Phillips know that he isn’t the player he needs and he won’t play then he has to move on. Guessing that didn’t happen prior to all Phillips’ interviews but surely that conversation happens over the summer / in pre season.
 
Jack Hackett said:
Your continued mischaracterisations of my original post are justifiably described as strawmen.

However, for the avoidance of doubt, I was offering my opinions on why Rice, despite the obvious attractions of City might opt for Arsenal. I’m not saying he will end up with us, I was merely reacting to the many posts dismissive of Arsenal. Enough.
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I don't begrudge you your opinions as to why Rice might choose to go to Arsenal. I'm just not having it that one reason is that City may have tapped out. Not even close.
So he can choose Arsenal because he likes red better than blue, or they're giving him free boots for life, or he can walk home after games or whatever...but because we've hit our zenith is a false and faulty narrative and you'd have to expect us to call you on it. Strawman, scarecrow, children of the corn or any other nonsense not withstanding...
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Phillips seems to think this whole “City players often take a year to adapt” thing means he’s just guaranteed minutes next season and he’s going to be integral to the team. He needs to take the fucking hint, he isn’t even wanted here and won’t play if he stays.
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Tend to agree. When he was fit, he was even overlooked for Rico.

Even the Arsenal and Chelsea Cup games, a full England international sat on the sidelines.

Think Pep has dropped enough hints.
 
PJM1891 said:
My feeling as well don't think Phillips wants to leave, and as you say thinks he will play more next season. We hardly saw the man at all. I don't think he will make it here whatever he might think
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
If he only wants to go to Arsenal and they are bidding against themselves, you have to ask why the deal isn't done?

We have been waiting on Phillips. He knows we are prepared to let him leave.

Kalvin might want to stay, but it's being made clear he won't get many opportunities again next season.
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Well if that's the case his england position is screwed he's been told he needs to play regular football
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Arsenal have no fee agreed as yet.

Strange tactics from them. If they are waiting for City they've already lost.
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Fingers crossed Kalvin sees sense and we can get Rice then! Really think Pep can take him up levels and it’s also a player that Pep has wanted so I think that will give him extra motivation having some new players to rejig the team again.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
If Phillips gives the nod, I think we can still get an agreement.

Rice won't want to compete with him also. Moyes has made it clear Phillips is his number one preference to replace Rice.

I wouldn't take much notice of London writers and their optics.

City have been interested in Rice for over 12 months but Bellingham saw us drag our heels.
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Wow. How to make Phillips feel like a pariah. If you don't go, you prevent us from signing the player we want to replace you, and you won't get any games either.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Tend to agree. When he was fit, he was even overlooked for Rico.

Even the Arsenal and Chelsea Cup games, a full England international sat on the sidelines.

Think Pep has dropped enough hints.
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Leeds at home as well Gundo started so he must know and I imagine Pep gives pretty honest feedback to the players . He’s still won a treble so go and play and move on with your career
 
MillsyTheMosher said:
I’ve been told today from a very reliable source at City that he’s going to Arsenal.
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If your source knows Rice is going to Arsenal, so do people at Arsenal, and if they know it, at least 1-2 journalists close to them are highly likely to know it too. But they don't seem to...Hence your source is likely to be wrong on Rice.

Not saying Rice won't end up at Arsenal, only that it is probably not decided yet.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Tend to agree. When he was fit, he was even overlooked for Rico.

Even the Arsenal and Chelsea Cup games, a full England international sat on the sidelines.

Think Pep has dropped enough hints.
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We’ve done this with both Stones and zinchenko, they both proved us very wrong.
 
JewelZee said:
City have done 7 in last 12 seasons : )
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My bad! The point remains , funnily enough it was Gary Neville who highlighted the point about Liverpool, United and us going through a pro longed period of dominance for a decade or more , he point blank said that things go in cycles and eventually our day will end . It’s noticeable how Arsenal fans for one never come back with a valid argument about them spending more than us over the past five seasons isn’t it ? Or that jumped up outfit Spurs who blame City for everything, a club who haven’t won the league since 61, it’s City’s fault for every single one of Arsenals 20 years without a title , and our fault for Spurs being titleless for drumroll …. 64 bleeding years !
 
Jokithedruid said:
We’ve done this with both Stones and zinchenko, they both proved us very wrong.
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Neither of those players would have been struggling to even play against teams from the lower leagues. Phillips couldn’t even get in against Sheffield Utd when we’d just played in Europe. That was one of the the biggest messages from the manager all season.
 
citizen_maine said:
Wow. How to make Phillips feel like a pariah. If you don't go, you prevent us from signing the player we want to replace you, and you won't get any games either.
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Doesn't have to be West Ham he chooses to move to.

West Ham would obviously prefer it, but the black and white of it is simply being honest.

Done the same previously with Zin and also Laporte.

They have a contract and Kalvin can back himself to stay and show something in training or limited minutes to change the perspective.
 
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