Decriminalisation of drugs

[Alan Harper's Tash]

 

[grunge]

Not so sure, but not knowledgeable on drugs to be.

Kids may or may not be smoking fags as much as yesterday, but they sure as hell are harming themselves on vapes.

How will those taking drugs continue to fund their habit to purchase from chemist shops?

Prescription drugs still cost money, and if they are free prescriptions, then that is the tax payer.

Illegal drugs are harmful and have consequences impacting more than the user.

Should be looking at eradication not legalisation no?

Disclaimer that I didn't read the whole of the post your quoting as it was huge but from what I read his views are similar if not the same as mine.

so to address a few points.

If the heavy duty drugs are supplied on the NHS, you almost immediately stop gangs from selling them. that then saves money on prison spaces ( although they will probably just shift there activity esle where mind you). the NHS saves money long term as there is far less likelyhood of emergency interventions needed as the drugs being supplied are measured so no chance of over doses. and they are clean so no chance of accidental damage from contaminations from dealers cutting the drugs with other crap to pad it out.

Add onto that as Kazzydeyna states, the heavy adicts can be targetted for help. they become working members of society and can then start to pay back more via taxes etc as well as stopping drug related crime almost over night as the addicts are not needing to mug old ladies for there fix.

As for middle of the road drugs from a chemist. Yes they would have to fund there adiction, but thats the same as booze and cigs. when was the last time you heard of a grannie getting mugged for a pack of marlboro? or a 6 pack of Special brew.

while there will always be outliers when you work on the majority the improvements would be seen quite quickly. the longer term benefits obviously would take a lot longer to be visible.

As for eradication. As prohibition shows it just doesn't work.

 

[mosssideblue]

Disclaimer that I didn't read the whole of the post your quoting as it was huge but from what I read his views are similar if not the same as mine.

so to address a few points.

If the heavy duty drugs are supplied on the NHS, you almost immediately stop gangs from selling them. that then saves money on prison spaces ( although they will probably just shift there activity esle where mind you). the NHS saves money long term as there is far less likelyhood of emergency interventions needed as the drugs being supplied are measured so no chance of over doses. and they are clean so no chance of accidental damage from contaminations from dealers cutting the drugs with other crap to pad it out.

Add onto that as Kazzydeyna states, the heavy adicts can be targetted for help. they become working members of society and can then start to pay back more via taxes etc as well as stopping drug related crime almost over night as the addicts are not needing to mug old ladies for there fix.

As for middle of the road drugs from a chemist. Yes they would have to fund there adiction, but thats the same as booze and cigs. when was the last time you heard of a grannie getting mugged for a pack of marlboro? or a 6 pack of Special brew.

while there will always be outliers when you work on the majority the improvements would be seen quite quickly. the longer term benefits obviously would take a lot longer to be visible.

As for eradication. As prohibition shows it just doesn't work.

Thanks for a reasoned reply. I personally don't see the utopian points you make though.

 

[domalino]

Should be looking at eradication not legalisation no?

The War on Drugs has been going on for 52 years, 4 months and 5 days.

How would you say it's going?

 

[grunge]

Thanks for a reasoned reply. I personally don't see the utopian points you make though.

There's always going to be outliers for sure. the ones that wont want to use the services available or get the help etc etc.

I was just looking at the Portugal example for how they decriminalised drugs. I was probably being rosey in terms of speed of improvement.

they decriminalised in 2000, by 2018 the number of Heroin addicts dropped from 100k to 25k, Needle related diseases dropped dramatically such as Hepatitis and HIV ( the cases associated with needle transmissions rather than other transmissions ). HIV went from 600+ a year to 13 in 2019.

Drug related deaths dropped quickly for the 1st 5 years but then did actually have an increase in years 5-10.

in 2001 40% of there jail places were drug related. by 2018 it was down to 15%.

Drug decriminalisation in Portugal: setting the record straight. | Transform

transformdrugs.org

 

[mosssideblue]

The War on Drugs has been going on for 52 years, 4 months and 5 days.

How would you say it's going?

Clearly not good, but that shouldn't detract from it being a goal, no?

 

[KS55]

Clearly not good, but that shouldn't detract from it being a goal, no?

Humans have been taking hallucogens since time immemorial. The war is a waste of time and resources and does nothing for addicts.

 

[Palerider]

The War on Drugs has been going on for 52 years, 4 months and 5 days.

How would you say it's going?

'Thou shalt not kill' was a commandment handed down by God to Moses. Hows that going?

 

[SWP's back]

Clearly not good, but that shouldn't detract from it being a goal, no?

Absolutely not, no.

I see it as useful and effective to society as alcohol prohibition was to 1920’s America.

 

[SWP's back]

'Thou shalt not kill' was a commandment handed down by God to Moses. Hows that going?

Tbf it’s one of the better lines in historical fiction.