Defeat I can accept but a lack of effort not.

[jake28]

Some of our players simply don't have the heart when the going gets tough.

And it's been like this for 18 months and won't be fixed in time this season. My main reason for believing we will finish anywhere from 3rd-5th

 

[mancity1]

I can accept defeat, lord knows we've had so many down the years but what I can't accept is the predictable manner we allow it to happen time after time in these types of games. After losing to Wigan in the Cup Final when the general consensus was we lost the game due to the turmoil surrounding Mancini's apparent behaviour towards the players, the directors Soriano and Begiristain, Marwood and the transfer kitty, Vicky the Press officer, Stephen Aziz the ex-kitman, Rose the tea lady and no doubt Dave, John, Carol and Lucy from in the City store, I really thought we wouldn't see these types of performances again, or should I say at least not for a few months more until no doubt some of our precious footballers ego's had taken a kicking again.

I really don't go along with this ''lets wait ten games until Pellegrini gets his style of football across' because let's be honest here we are not inventing the wheel. And for the record I have no agenda against Pellegrini this is more to do with the attitude of our players. So yes I'll happily go along with having a degree of patience for the new style to knit together and I'm prepared for the team to need to have some time to understand what is being asked of them and at times I would guess it could look a little disjointed but I have no doubt players of this calibre have played many various styles before and should adapt quicker than for arguements sake the Cardiff players who would have been also working on new formations like 'parking the bus' compared to their more attacking style of last season which earned them promotion. They seemed to have managed it extremely well yesterday.

We have arguably the best squad in the Premiership, a squad full of world class players, internationlas in every position and whilst I accept over the next few months our style will change from Mancini's what I cannot accept is that these players are not clever enough or capable enough of putting in at the very least a performance showing motivation, tempo, urgency, passion and style and if we happen lose then at least we've done so with a degree of pride in our performance. The resulting defeat I can take and well done to Cardiff but it's the manner of our defeat and the complete lack of interest up until the 92nd minute when we could and should have scored two goals that makes it all the more frustrating that had we showed that effort much earlier then I feel we would have put the game to bed and would have been able to coast a little more towards the end. An all too familiar trait carried over from last season when at least they could use Mancini's abbrasivness as the excuse.

The style of football will change but the commitment and effort should be the very least given in every game.

Over to you Manuel.

Its player attitude blue2112 and often no matter who is in charge and what his management approach is if you don't have the right attitude you will get performances like this.

These players or most of them at least were part of history a 44 year break and maybe that's was enough for some , if not most of them.

I can't for the life of me work out why they wouldn't be up for each and every game in the premiership and create a dynasty but each to their own.

In my line of work if I do not motivate a group of personnel and myself to do the things that need to be done to execute a sale of a house then I don't get paid.

I am not on a fixed income like majority of the working world including professional footballers who can have a bad day or a poor spell and still get paid.

Leadership is where it starts and ends and if your on field leader lacks the ability to motivate his team mates ( notwithstanding the abilty to motivate oneself to get the best out of themselves each week ) you won't go far.

Yesterday showed just how far below the required level in attitude which generates the qualities you refer to in your post above blue2112 we currently are both individually and collectively.

We know they have it but maybe the mountain which gets harder each year to climb is not what this group is about now and if so we will get enough of these lack lustre performances against inferior but more motivated opposition for us to be amongst the also rans not only this year but in many years in the future.

We may just be a flashier version of Leeds and Blackburn without the financial pitfalls that their owners poor admin skills besotted the clubs with.

 

[robbieh]

It feels daft to say this but unless Pellegrini does absolutely awful this year (as in 5th), I don't see the problem.

The problem, certainly amongst the supporters, is also pretty simple. Pellegrini replaced one of the most popular and successful managers in City's history. The fact the change was made for reasons wider than simply games won/lost is difficult for people to stomach as that's the only thing that generally matters to supporters. That's my take anyway.

And quite rightly so. Arsenal may well be the most financially stable club in the league but do we want 8 years without a trophy. On the opposite side of the coin Chelsea may not be many's cup of tea but they have an astonishing array of trophies.

If we win nothing this year questions will have to be asked and not just of Manuel.

By the way whose idea was it to buy Garcia and Sinclair? Don't think it was Mancini's.

 

[billfromthehill]

We approached that game like an end of season meaningless fixture - really does make you ask questions about the mentality of the players in the first away game of the season under a new manager.

That must be the first and last time we see that type of careless approach, and I'm not talking about the defending, but their attitude towards winning the game, this season.

I thought this was a new start. It's not. It was Wembley all over again

Get over it mate ,just wait till they come to ours they will get a chance to put it right.
We move on pal.



Ps I have never liked good starts. This ain't a sprint an all that .

 

[City_Sean]

the lack of passion is evident, the players need a kick up the arse. its the best squad in the league, we shouldn't be having these performances.

 

[Anonymous]

We approached that game like an end of season meaningless fixture - really does make you ask questions about the mentality of the players in the first away game of the season under a new manager.

That must be the first and last time we see that type of careless approach, and I'm not talking about the defending, but their attitude towards winning the game, this season.

I thought this was a new start. It's not. It was Wembley all over again

Get over it mate ,just wait till they come to ours they will get a chance to put it right.
We move on pal.



Ps I have never liked good starts. This ain't a sprint an all that .

It certainly isn't a 'sprint' Bill , you're quite right .......

but we allowed a gap to develop around the beginning of December last season from which we NEVER recovered .... now that's HALFWAY through a season , and the damage that did was untold ..... so we have to bear that in mind.

 

[jollylescott]

Re: Defeat I can accept but a lack of effort not

Football at its most basic is about desire, attitude, determination and will to win. I have seen many many games at all levels of football where the team that exemplifies these qualities wins the game.

There were disturbing signs last season that the players had climbed the summit the season before, and that anything after that was an anti-climax. I think all the fans were basking in the glory of the title win for most of last season. So up to a point there was a tolerance for some of the more mediocre team performances last season.

With the arrival of Pellegrini, with his man management skills, I think most of us thought that the dreadful away performances were a thing of the past. In a perverse way the result from the weekend has shown Pellegrini that he needs to shake the tree. If certain players don't put in, then they should be dropped. It doesnt matter if that player is the highest paid player in the team. He needs to send a powerful message that he wants 11 hungry and desperate players out on the pitch who will do everything possible to avoid the pain of defeat. I don't like to say it but this is what Baconface instilled in the rags.

I agree with Pellegrini. We do have the best squad in the League. However unless every one of those players wants to win more than the other mob, we will not achieve our goals this season.

 

[Manc in London]

Yesterdays result had nothing to do with lack of effort. Application was the issue.

 

[East Level 2]

Get over it mate ,just wait till they come to ours they will get a chance to put it right.
We move on pal.

Yeah they'll come to our place and we'll put half a dozen past them. Or perhaps we'll scrape a 1-0 as against Reading last season.
Whoopee fucking doo - three points against a newly promoted side. That's putting it right is it? It might stop the gloating after yesterday but it hardly puts it right.
If we were looking for where we were going to pick up 90 points, we'd want at least ten away wins and yesterday was one we'd have targetted as Cardiff will probably finish in the bottom half. To put it right we'll have to pick up three points we thought we could drop. And there will be a couple more to find if we continue our inability to win at Stoke in our next away game.

 

[Anonymous]

Yesterdays result had nothing to do with lack of effort. Application was the issue.

I also think it's really easy for it to seem like there's a lack of effort when teams play as deeply as Cardiff did. There's simply fuck all space to run into, therefore not as much dynamic running as supporters like to see.