Defensive Midfield Targets/Options

He was one paced and couldn't pass water. He just liked a tackle which is what endeared him to the crowd

Barry supplanted him completely in the title winning season and was twice the player. He was reduced to being Yaya's water carrier when we moved him further forward in games to try and drive us forward



with the flair players we`ve had and still got, you need someone to protect the back 4 we currently dont have a genuine defencive mid. kante would have done very nicely.

we also needed someone with water carrying skill because yaya has never liked doing the ugly stuff that needs to be done.
 
with the flair players we`ve had and still got, you need someone to protect the back 4 we currently dont have a genuine defencive mid. kante would have done very nicely.

we also needed someone with water carrying skill because yaya has never liked doing the ugly stuff that needs to be done.
We've got De Jongs equivalent in Fernando

Its just that he looks poor in a team which plays on the front and looks to keep possession

Kante would have been great, he's much better on the ball than people give him credit for , he's much better than De Jong and Fernando in that respect

We need a 25 year old fernandinho basically
 
I agree that this position is key. Thing is there are loads of decent full backs who would make an enormous difference to us, not sure if there's as many midfielders good enough to play as our pivot.
 
He was one paced and couldn't pass water. He just liked a tackle which is what endeared him to the crowd

Barry supplanted him completely in the title winning season and was twice the player. He was reduced to being Yaya's water carrier when we moved him further forward in games

Agree with this, an intelligent player such as Barry can be far more effective than an effort/tackling specialist. Gundogan could have a similar role and impact if he gets back to full fitness.
 
with the flair players we`ve had and still got, you need someone to protect the back 4 we currently dont have a genuine defencive mid. kante would have done very nicely.

we also needed someone with water carrying skill because yaya has never liked doing the ugly stuff that needs to be done.
Where has this myth come from that Kante protects the defence? That's Matic and was Drinkwater at Leicester, Kante chases all over the pitch trying to tackle people and break up play, like Fernandinho.
 
Agree with this, an intelligent player such as Barry can be far more effective than an effort/tackling specialist. Gundogan could have a similar role and impact if he gets back to full fitness.
Barry was very underrated, the only thing he lacked was pace but he had more than enough experience and intelligence to make up for that

He was hung out to dry by England in 2010 for his failure to keep up with Mesut Ozil, I think this made people have a skewed view of him
 
Where has this myth come from that Kante protects the defence? That's Matic and was Drinkwater at Leicester, Kante chases all over the pitch trying to tackle people and break up play, like Fernandinho.

Sorry but that's complete bollocks. He doesn't sit back and screen the defence, but that's not the same as not protecting the defence. He stops play, either through tackling or intercepting before it even gets to the point where Matic needs to get involved, and if things do get that far advanced, he also is very good at tracking the danger men and making sure it doesn't get to them.

As his teammates this year and last year have all said, he is the biggest influence on the defence of any team he plays in.
 
I agree that this position is key. Thing is there are loads of decent full backs who would make an enormous difference to us, not sure if there's as many midfielders good enough to play as our pivot.
just an example but fernandino is not getting younger , gudun will always be an injury worry delph sell fernado loan garcia bring into the squad yaya let go bring in fabinho for rb and rdm kolasinic for lb and ldm and kessie for cdm, it is not hard finding players that will improve us but it is hard finding ones that will bed in well
 
Sorry but that's complete bollocks. He doesn't sit back and screen the defence, but that's not the same as not protecting the defence. He stops play, either through tackling or intercepting before it even gets to the point where Matic needs to get involved, and if things do get that far advanced, he also is very good at tracking the danger men and making sure it doesn't get to them.

As his teammates this year and last year have all said, he is the biggest influence on the defence of any team he plays in.
Doing a lot of defensive work and being the midfield who is protecting the defence aren't the same thing, he's not the one who actually protects the defence from people running at them or getting into those pockets between the lines. He's obviously helping the team a lot defensively, but he's not the player specifically in the team to protect the defence.

You can't play him without someone offering the insurance policy in front of the defence, otherwise the opposition will just pass it into the giant space he's vacated in front of your defence to go press them. That's been our problem with Fernandinho, we need him to be the one occupying the space in front of the defence, but at the same time need him to be going after players and trying to get the ball. It's two jobs and you can't do both. The idea that just throwing him into a midfield of Silva and De Bruyne wouldn't work at all, as he'd chase people, someone would run in behind him and they'd be free to run at our defence like they have ever since we let Barry go and Yaya stopped offering anything defensively. It's not a job for just one man
 

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