Democrat US Presidential Nominations

[Bigga]

This whole argument is completely misunderstanding the US electorate who largely can't vote on their personal situation because that situation won't change whoever they get.

Obama didn't do anything for wages, unemployment, wage growth or even healthcare and neither did Bush and neither did Clinton.

You say the US is wise to it, and the UK is wise to it but yet here is Trump in power likely to win again and Labour just had their worst election failure in history.

I went to Vegas last year, we got talking to a few people and they all said the same thing... "I hate Trump but things are going okay" and then many others loved the bloke.

The leftist opposition is the reason for major progressive policy failings over the last 10 years. I'd call it the far left opposition delusion.

Explain to me what your current president has done for the people, again...

 

[Mike D]

This whole argument is completely misunderstanding the US electorate who largely can't vote on their personal situation because that situation won't change whoever they get.

Obama didn't do anything for wages, unemployment, wage growth or even healthcare and neither did Bush and neither did Clinton.

You say the US is wise to it, and the UK is wise to it but yet here is Trump in power likely to win again and Labour just had their worst election failure in history.

I went to Vegas last year, we got talking to a few people and they all said the same thing... "I hate Trump but things are going okay" and then many others loved the bloke.

The leftist opposition is the reason for major progressive policy failings over the last 10 years. I'd call it the far left opposition delusion.

This just shows are ignorant so many are in the US to believe any of this shit you spout.

Obamacare didn't help people , and the economy wasn't growing when he left office you almost sound like a speech writer for dumb Donald.

 

[Bigga]

This just shows are ignorant so many are in the US to believe any of this shit you spout.

Obamacare didn't help people , and the economy wasn't growing when he left office you almost sound like a speech writer for dumb Donald.

Yeah as well as there were 6 mil people unemployed when O took office, yet he didn't do a thing!!

Now inbetween is claiming Orange Doofus is the new magical job elf.

Maybe Ivanka really DID create 30mil jobs!!

 

[SebastianBlue]

This whole argument is completely misunderstanding the US electorate who largely can't vote on their personal situation because that situation won't change whoever they get.

Obama didn't do anything for wages, unemployment, wage growth or even healthcare and neither did Bush and neither did Clinton.

You say the US is wise to it, and the UK is wise to it but yet here is Trump in power likely to win again and Labour just had their worst election failure in history.

I went to Vegas last year, we got talking to a few people and they all said the same thing... "I hate Trump but things are going okay" and then many others loved the bloke.

The leftist opposition is the reason for major progressive policy failings over the last 10 years. I'd call it the far left opposition delusion.

I’m sorry, mate, but this bit is demonstratively false any way you look at economic data.

And apart from the stock market (which, again, is *not* the economy), there is very strong evidence that Trump is merely riding a positive trend in the economy begun under Obama via some fairly comprehensive policies that admin implemented.

There is even evidence that Trump has actually slowed overall economic growth compared to the trajectory it would have taken had it just continued as it was going under Obama. That’s not even mentioning the sheer fiscal mismanagement of the tax cuts that Trump passed which were effectively another redistribution of wealth to corporations and the top 2% of the economic strata in the US, with by design short-term boosts to the poor/middle class that are the only provisions that actually fade away in the legislation (i.e. the tax break for the rich classes are permanent whilst the breaks for the relative poor are on a graduated expiration schedule over time). The tax “restructuring” is ballooning the national debt to record breaking levels (which many analysts think was by design so the Republicans could claim that major cuts to social security programs are necessary, which they have always wanted to do) whilst the initial benefit to the vast majority of US citizens is going away.

And there is fairly widespread evidence Trump is actually hurting the economy with most of his policies, both over the short- and long-term, and definitely with his trade wars.

Even beyond all this, ignoring any specific evidence, it is fairly easy to debunk this stance that Trump is the reason for the economy doing well if you have a basic knowledge of economic systems/timeframes and understand that Presidential influence on the economy, unless in times of crisis (i.e. Bush/Obama), is actually fairly limited and requires longer timeframes to influence than a few years. And most of their impact — positive or negative — comes after they are out of office.

In short, nearly all evidence points to Trump riding the coat tails of Obama’s policy which sparked economic growth from a fairly dire starting point and Trump may even be blunting the trajectory of that growth with his policies, whilst also enacting policies that could have disastrous results over the long-term.

That’s not even considering the chaos he sows regularly, which is detrimental to the overall health of the US and world economies; though, serious investors tend love it as volatility in the markets is where money can be made, hence why so many of them are happy with what he and Brexit is doing with various stock markets. But, again, the stock market is most definitely not the economy and volatility in the market is detrimental to economic health. It’s a short term method of creating wealth for those that already have it, which ironically for Trump supporters, is the main benefit of all of his actions and policies.

They’ve been fleeced and, once more, they love him for it.

But this is more a discussion to be had in the Trump and current US government thread.

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/donald-trump-wins-u-s-election.325217/page-3409

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

This whole argument is completely misunderstanding the US electorate who largely can't vote on their personal situation because that situation won't change whoever they get.

Obama didn't do anything for wages, unemployment, wage growth or even healthcare and neither did Bush and neither did Clinton.

You say the US is wise to it, and the UK is wise to it but yet here is Trump in power likely to win again and Labour just had their worst election failure in history.

I went to Vegas last year, we got talking to a few people and they all said the same thing... "I hate Trump but things are going okay" and then many others loved the bloke.

The leftist opposition is the reason for major progressive policy failings over the last 10 years. I'd call it the far left opposition delusion.

Obama didnt do anything for healthcare?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

This whole argument is completely misunderstanding the US electorate who largely can't vote on their personal situation because that situation won't change whoever they get.

Obama didn't do anything for wages, unemployment, wage growth or even healthcare and neither did Bush and neither did Clinton.

You say the US is wise to it, and the UK is wise to it but yet here is Trump in power likely to win again and Labour just had their worst election failure in history.

I went to Vegas last year, we got talking to a few people and they all said the same thing... "I hate Trump but things are going okay" and then many others loved the bloke.

The leftist opposition is the reason for major progressive policy failings over the last 10 years. I'd call it the far left opposition delusion.

How can you say 3 successive presidents had no affect on wages, unemployment and healthcare?

Without looking it up i could tell you that Clinton oversaw a massive economic boom that unquestionably improved wages. Obama was POTUS during the credit crunch and did a decent job on the economy (the bailout at the time was non partisan). Obama also introduce Obamacare every $ spent on Obamacare is basically healthcare provided to people who otherwise would go without.

 

[mat]

I'll give you this, the running mate is going to plot the course past Sanders' term if he wins.

However, your supposition of Klobuchar will only happen IF Sanders' agrees to it.

But I suspect that Bernie Sanders will long continue to be a rebel and pick his own choice.

I mean, why would he want to undo everything his legacy would be built upon, especially if his policies redresses the balance for people?

Wouldn't put it past him if he got the nomination to chose Gabbard.

 

[inbetween]

How can you say 3 successive presidents had no affect on wages, unemployment and healthcare?

Without looking it up i could tell you that Clinton oversaw a massive economic boom that unquestionably improved wages. Obama was POTUS during the credit crunch and did a decent job on the economy (the bailout at the time was non partisan). Obama also introduce Obamacare every $ spent on Obamacare is basically healthcare provided to people who otherwise would go without.

Because did any of these presidents actually have any effect or was it just a natural procession of the economy at the time? You could argue that Trump has overseen economic growth, less unemployment and wage growth but yeah I guess that is all Obamas doing....

I just can't see what any US president has actually done, the poor are still poor and the rich are still rich? What has really changed?

I agree on healthcare but what I meant was the change he brought in was limited. It wasn't exactly breaking ground on the fundamental reason why anyone has to pay for healthcare in the first place....

Which US president has brought in REAL change?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Because did any of these presidents actually have any effect or was it just a natural procession of the economy at the time? You could argue that Trump has overseen economic growth, less unemployment and wage growth but yeah I guess that is all Obamas doing....

I just can't see what any US president has actually done, the poor are still poor and the rich are still rich? What has really changed?

I agree on healthcare but what I meant was the change he brought in was limited. It wasn't exactly breaking ground on the fundamental reason why anyone has to pay for healthcare in the first place....

Which US president has brought in REAL change?

Well that is a better explanation. Some things are clear cut, Clinton with welfare reform, Obama with obamacare and Trump's tax plan all clear moves by presidents. I will let you decide which ones were good and which ones were bad.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Ask the farmers who have recently gone out of business how well the economy is going for them.