Derby Day

United, despite being clear at the top of the league, haven't actually been playing all that well this season. A combination of the other teams playing even worse, United riding their luck on occasions, and the so-often-it-can't-be-coincidence refereeing assistance has lead to their current position rather than exceptional play.

However, it should be noted that United are a very Jekyl and Hyde team, their away form is, to be honest, poor, there are several teams with a better points per game return from their away matches, including City. However their home record is, unfortunately, something to be admired. 13 games played, 12 wins and 1 draw, 37 points from a possible 39. That's far and away the best home record in the country. What we need to do is realise that all this talk of United being a poor side is based around their away form, at home they are as good as they've ever been results wise.

Of course we're more than capable of beating them at OT on Saturday, the gap between the two sides is negligible at this point, but it'll be an extremely difficult task. I'm assuming our tactical approach will be the same as the home fixture, and the game at The Emirates, we'll defend well and in numbers, and we'll hope that we'll take that one opportunity to score we are sure to get. It'll be attritional, it'll be a battle, we'll play with Tevez as a loan striker of that I'm sure. It'll be nerve wracking, and it'll be low scoring, this'll be no 4-3 game like last year. If United take the lead it'll be interestign to see what our tactical changes will be, although obviously I hope we don't need to find out.

I think we'll hold out for another 0-0 draw if I'm honest, and I reckon it'll be greeted with the same level of disappointment at the performance rather than the result as the home match. Mancini, for whatever reason, seems either unable or unwilling to attack the better sides. I can only assume he sees the defensive steal-the-win tactics as our best option in these matches. It may well turn out to be a tactically astute decision, but it certainly isn't any good for the nerves, or for the entertainment.
 
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Above are just a few of the games i have seen live... & i think we are going to do them in a big way i would say 3 or 4 nil...they are shit & have had more than there share of luck see b/pool .L/pool & WBA.. lets see if they play like we did at home or at they played against a team like Brum or B/burn..we will pick them off easy on the counter attack.

Just hope we have NDG, Richards & Mario back in the squad..& this will be an easy game..for us..one of the best away teams against an iffy lucky (so far) home team..
 
straighttalker said:
Breadsnapper said:
I have been saying for ages that what we have seen of the rags is the best they have to offer. They haven't been playing poorly they have been playing to the best of their ability. They are not a great side, good yes but not great. We really do not have anything to fear, other than fergietime and a weak referee. I don't believe the hype, never have done and never will. We just need to do a whiskey nose and make up some shite about hoping the ref is fair, thus bringing it to the attention of the world.
If owen comes on with a minute to go and we're winning I hope someone has he bollox to end his career.

Serious question my friend about 'fergietime'. If both teams are playing then surely in injury time both teams are allowed to attack and score?

Anyhow, it should be a cracking game of football.
not when you have a referee who decides to manipulate so the home team is on the front, ie teves barged into from the back then gives united a free kick with six and half minutes gone, take my word for it straight talker, atkinson knew exactly what he was doing? that added on time added on time has never been used since that 4-3 game but all we heard from the propergandists was the ref was right? also wonder if david moyes would agree with you on that one,but nice to hear a united fan coming out with hope their is no trouble and a great game?
 
Matty said:
United, despite being clear at the top of the league, haven't actually been playing all that well this season. A combination of the other teams playing even worse, United riding their luck on occasions, and the so-often-it-can't-be-coincidence refereeing assistance has lead to their current position rather than exceptional play.

However, it should be noted that United are a very Jekyl and Hyde team, their away form is, to be honest, poor, there are several teams with a better points per game return from their away matches, including City. However their home record is, unfortunately, something to be admired. 13 games played, 12 wins and 1 draw, 37 points from a possible 39. That's far and away the best home record in the country. What we need to do is realise that all this talk of United being a poor side is based around their away form, at home they are as good as they've ever been results wise.

Of course we're more than capable of beating them at OT on Saturday, the gap between the two sides is negligible at this point, but it'll be an extremely difficult task. I'm assuming our tactical approach will be the same as the home fixture, and the game at The Emirates, we'll defend well and in numbers, and we'll hope that we'll take that one opportunity to score we are sure to get. It'll be attritional, it'll be a battle, we'll play with Tevez as a loan striker of that I'm sure. It'll be nerve wracking, and it'll be low scoring, this'll be no 4-3 game like last year. If United take the lead it'll be interestign to see what our tactical changes will be, although obviously I hope we don't need to find out.

I think we'll hold out for another 0-0 draw if I'm honest, and I reckon it'll be greeted with the same level of disappointment at the performance rather than the result as the home match. Mancini, for whatever reason, seems either unable or unwilling to attack the better sides. I can only assume he sees the defensive steal-the-win tactics as our best option in these matches. It may well turn out to be a tactically astute decision, but it certainly isn't any good for the nerves, or for the entertainment.

Agree with that assessment. I think it will be a tight, tense, game, with one goal possibly the decider. I think Mancini will be more concerned about not surrendering a place in the top 4, rather than going all out for the title, so he will probably approach this game the same way as the home derby in November. The only way I can see it being an exciting game, is if one scores early, and United seem to have a habit of scoring early goals recently, so we have to be wary of that. Their home record is second to none, but we have what it takes to win. If we do pick up a victory, it will be a watershed moment, and who knows the lift it will give the team.
 
I think that Mancini owes it to the travelling fans to approach the game in a positive manner and attempt to win! We have the players in place to go to OT and expect to win if we put in a good performance.

Yes Utd have a great home record, but Arsenal and Spurs both played poorly at OT this season, and Liverpool narrowly lost. They haven't played Chelsea at home yet and if we can play near our best we will give them their hardest game up to now no doubt.

What Utd do, in due respect, is play to win all of their games, and although I understand the tactics behind the Arsenal away game (no Balotelli, Silva etc), with Dzeko in and Silva back, I hope that Mancini can adopt this mentality and implement it.

Utd are being being driven on by having a settled team used to success, a consistent resilience and will to attack in all games, but they are far from world beaters. If we can move the ball quickly and accurately, and attack, I'd fancy us to score a few goals. I'm saying 3-1 City!
 
mancunial said:
straighttalker said:
Serious question my friend about 'fergietime'. If both teams are playing then surely in injury time both teams are allowed to attack and score?

Anyhow, it should be a cracking game of football.
not when you have a referee who decides to manipulate so the home team is on the front, ie teves barged into from the back then gives united a free kick with six and half minutes gone, take my word for it straight talker, atkinson knew exactly what he was doing? that added on time added on time has never been used since that 4-3 game but all we heard from the propergandists was the ref was right? also wonder if david moyes would agree with you on that one,but nice to hear a united fan coming out with hope their is no trouble and a great game?

What's great about fotball is the debate and the way 95% of the time rival fans see things differently. As for added time, I'll give you my take on it (will probably differ from others on here though). Sometimes refs make decisions people don't agree with or can't explain, that's human nature. Every time a decision seems unfair in Utd's favour, it's magified 100 times.

Trying not to sound big headed but there are certain teams who don't expect to beat Utd and get upset if a decision goes against them and it's easier to blame the ref rather than admit their team wasn't good enough. Spurs are a prime example, in the 5-2 at Old Trafford when Utd were 2-0 down and were awarded a penalty we shouldn't have been, we made it 1-2 and then went on to win. For days we heard about how unfair the penalty was even though Spurs were still winning when we scored it. Everybody then jumps on the bandwagon. What's conveniently forgotten is that at 0-0 Palacious went in two footed off the ground and nearly broke Ronaldos legs, a straight red that was never given. That was forotten about as Utd are expected to overcome bad decisions by the media and fans, other teams aren't.

As for added on time, a lot of matches have 4-5 minutes added on such as Chelsea yesterday from what I can remember? Utd usually never give in and score a lot of goals in the last 10 minutes and now and then (less than you would think) in added on time. Because of this 'fergie time' gets mentioned a lot where as Stoke v West Brom would get no publicity if 9 minutes were added on.

Anyhow I see it like that and others don't and that's fine, differing opinions are a good thing. The reality is that both teams are allowed to score in those extra minutes and against Blackpool we were given 10 minutes when leading 3-2, we'd have preferred 1 and it could only have helped the opposition. As I say I hope it's a great game and that we're talking football on Saturday (and a Utd win).
 
Bollocks,straighttalker.......you are despised cause of all the goals you do score in "Fergie time"

As for you didnt want 10 mins at Blackpool the other week,what a load of shite,Blackpool ran out of gas 20 mins before the end of 90 mins,but being as shite as you have been all season,you couldnt finish them off
 

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