Different reactions to City and Arsenal defeats

[Damocles]

Every single thread Pidge, without exception.

And the "rag meedya" comment was wilfully ignorant. Sports media particularly, but all of the media to some degree, present the narrative that creates the most wealth for themselves. It has been known since Woodrow Wilson's Creel Commission in the late 1910s that you cannot gain popularity by presenting dissenting opinions with the audience; audiences, as you so rapidly identify within this and other threads, prefer to read an echo chamber rather than something that challenge's their notions.

The problem I've always had with your opinion here is that you recognise this but for some reason don't continue this logical train which would conclude that the people in the media also know this.

The vast majority of the audiences of the Sun, Mirror, Star, etc dislike City. The vast majority of their audience is also likely to support one of the big 5 clubs. The "agenda" isn't something where a bunch of conspirators sit in dimly lit basements talking about how to disrespect City next (though any journo will tell you that they often communicate after press conferences on which line they are running), it is that these papers have a financial incentive to denigrate City and make the extremely popular teams look better.

This financial incentive has held them in good stead, especially in the age of new media where they are just rushing out stories with no sort of fact checking and "communications departments" exist at all of the major clubs.

 

[LFC-Fans]

Thats just one headline though... others may be different

 

[Pigeonho]

Every single thread Pidge, without exception.

And the "rag meedya" comment was wilfully ignorant. Sports media particularly, but all of the media to some degree, present the narrative that creates the most wealth for themselves. It has been known since Woodrow Wilson's Creel Commission in the late 1910s that you cannot gain popularity by presenting dissenting opinions with the audience; audiences, as you so rapidly identify within this and other threads, prefer to read an echo chamber rather than something that challenge's their notions.

The problem I've always had with your opinion here is that you recognise this but for some reason don't continue this logical train which would conclude that the people in the media also know this.

The vast majority of the audiences of the Sun, Mirror, Star, etc dislike City. The vast majority of their audience is also likely to support one of the big 5 clubs. The "agenda" isn't something where a bunch of conspirators sit in dimly lit basements talking about how to disrespect City next (though any journo will tell you that they often communicate after press conferences on which line they are running), it is that these papers have a financial incentive to denigrate City and make the extremely popular teams look better.

This financial incentive has held them in good stead, especially in the age of new media where they are just rushing out stories with no sort of fact checking and "communications departments" exist at all of the major clubs.

Well that's ok, most of the pro-agenda posters appear on such threads too, so it's no big deal really. The guy I referred to the 'rag meedya' comment towards had said that journo's are rags, or something like that, so I listed a few of the more well-known jouno's and listed who it is believed they support - and none of them support united. I'm not really interested in commissions from 1910, and I would say nobody on here thinks of that when they say 'that journo is a rag loving ****', it's just their opinion based on their eyes being covered by blue tints. That's fair enough but mine aren't, and so I see things differently, as it seems, do an increasing amount of others, and this being a forum and all, well it's the done thing to air such an opinion.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Spot the difference

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So A says "I like cats" and B says "I don't like dogs" and you conclude from that that everyone is against dogs?

I checked on the BBC website this morning because I was curious about how the Arse result was treated vis-à-vis the City result (I'm just kinda like that). And, do you know what? There wasn't much to choose between them.

Arsenal look destined to perish at the same stage of the Champions League and against the same opponents as last season after Bayern Munich won convincingly at Emirates Stadium.

Pep Guardiola's side remain on course in their bid to become the first side to retain the Champions League as second-half goals from Toni Kroos and Thomas Muller gave them an emphatic advantage in their last-16 first-leg tie.

It will be a night of regrets for Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger and his players after Mesut Ozil's careless early penalty was saved by Bayern keeper Manuel Neuer and opposite number Wojciech Szczesny was sent off before half-time for fouling Arjen Robben in the area.

etc.

Manchester City's Champions League ambitions look all but extinguished after Lionel Messi and Dani Alves gave Barcelona victory in the last-16 first leg at Etihad Stadium.

Messi broke the deadlock from the spot in the 54th minute after he was fouled by City defender Martin Demichelis, who was also sent off for a challenge that was initially made outside the penalty area.

And despite a defiant response from Manuel Pellegrini's side, Alves delivered what is surely the decisive blow when he exchanged passes with Neymar before sliding a cool finish under City keeper Joe Hart in the final minute.

etc.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The obvious point about the press is that it relies on reporters to fill it. The sports pages are filled by reporters NOT even necessarily by reporters who are particularly interested in football. Their career is journalism, they live in a world of words, of clever headlines and striking phrases. To keep their jobs they have to attract readers and writing studious, well balanced and objective articles isn't the best way of doing this. And if you want to get to the top, you have to work in London.

There are the thick end of 100 professional clubs in England and 20 of these are in the PL - that's too many to keep tabs on, so a reporter talks to people in London, gets interviews with London players, managers and other "experts", but picks up a fair bit of gossip about other clubs of "national significance" ie Manchester United and Liverpool who have a decent following in the capital. And there you are, before long the horizons of your world lead you to conclude that West Ham have four "world class" players, that "Scottie" Parker is the inspirational captain who hasn't quite stopped them being relegated, but must be the footballer of the year, and that the best player in the world (ie London) is Gareth Bale. Then the news that Fergie is retiring comes in and that he's said Moyes is his successor: bloody hell, he's from Everton (that's in Liverpool isn't it?), he must be a genius, and surely has a brilliant record there. An hour later he's "wee Davey" and "the natural successor".

Then Manchester City play Barcelona. All we know about City is that they've got a very rich owner - but they're no good, surely? They're bound to lose. Barcelona are apparently Barca and win loads. They'll be too good for City. They'll outclass them...

That's the way it's done... "Fergie's fury at ref's howlers", "Gunners gunned down by Barca's ref" became "Pellegrini loses it - astonishing rant at Swedish referee".

Spot on.

And to aguero93:20's point - which I agree with - it is a fact that there are more rag journlists than City journalists. The rag journalists hate us with a passion, and this inevitably in itself slants the reporting. Everytime one of them gets to say anything, you can bet it has an anti-City slant to it. They don't hate Arsenal or Chelsea to anything like the same degree. They have rivalry with Liverpool, but they don't hate Liverpool like they hate us.

Just to pick a few out:
Custis - Newcastle fans as far as i'm aware.
The bald, pointy nosed guy who was on that SS clip, Rob somebody - Chelsea fan.
The other guy from that clip with the dark hair and looks like he's dead - QPR.
Taylor - Read somewhere he is a Forest fan.
Herbert - Wrexham, again I think that's been said on here before now.
Winter is a Cheslea fan
Scott is a gunner
Evans and Kay support Liverpool.

That's a handful of the more well-known journo's out there. Who is there who is a declared United fan, or 'rag journo' as you put it?

So, let me ask you this. Are you saying there are no more rag supporting journalists than city-supporting journalists? Is that the position you are taking? Honestly?

 

[proudbear]

Spot the difference

[bigimg]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg572dgIcAA4MLB.jpg:large[/bigimg]

So A says "I like cats" and B says "I don't like dogs" and you conclude from that that everyone is against dogs?

I checked on the BBC website this morning because I was curious about how the Arse result was treated vis-à-vis the City result (I'm just kinda like that). And, do you know what? There wasn't much to choose between them.

Arsenal look destined to perish at the same stage of the Champions League and against the same opponents as last season after Bayern Munich won convincingly at Emirates Stadium.

Pep Guardiola's side remain on course in their bid to become the first side to retain the Champions League as second-half goals from Toni Kroos and Thomas Muller gave them an emphatic advantage in their last-16 first-leg tie.

It will be a night of regrets for Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger and his players after Mesut Ozil's careless early penalty was saved by Bayern keeper Manuel Neuer and opposite number Wojciech Szczesny was sent off before half-time for fouling Arjen Robben in the area.

etc.

Manchester City's Champions League ambitions look all but extinguished after Lionel Messi and Dani Alves gave Barcelona victory in the last-16 first leg at Etihad Stadium.

Messi broke the deadlock from the spot in the 54th minute after he was fouled by City defender Martin Demichelis, who was also sent off for a challenge that was initially made outside the penalty area.

And despite a defiant response from Manuel Pellegrini's side, Alves delivered what is surely the decisive blow when he exchanged passes with Neymar before sliding a cool finish under City keeper Joe Hart in the final minute.

etc.

This.

Theres hardly any difference between them, one says Arsenals chances are dim, the other says Citys chance are dim. Then describe what happened. Both very similar and i dont see any bias to be honest.

 

[Pigeonho]

Spot on.

And to aguero93:20's point - which I agree with - it is a fact that there are more rag journlists than City journalists. The rag journalists hate us with a passion, and this inevitably in itself slants the reporting. Everytime one of them gets to say anything, you can bet it has an anti-City slant to it. They don't hate Arsenal or Chelsea to anything like the same degree. They have rivalry with Liverpool, but they don't hate Liverpool like they hate us.

Just to pick a few out:
Custis - Newcastle fans as far as i'm aware.
The bald, pointy nosed guy who was on that SS clip, Rob somebody - Chelsea fan.
The other guy from that clip with the dark hair and looks like he's dead - QPR.
Taylor - Read somewhere he is a Forest fan.
Herbert - Wrexham, again I think that's been said on here before now.
Winter is a Cheslea fan
Scott is a gunner
Evans and Kay support Liverpool.

That's a handful of the more well-known journo's out there. Who is there who is a declared United fan, or 'rag journo' as you put it?

So, let me ask you this. Are you saying there are no more rag supporting journalists than city-supporting journalists? Is that the position you are taking? Honestly?

That's not what I have said, is it. The post said 'rag journo's', and off the top of my head I can't think of any journo who is a declared United fan. The journo's I could name off the top of my head don't support United, and they are some of those who some on here say are 'rags'. I don't know who supports City from the media, and I don't particularly care. What I do know though, based on the above, that there aren't many so called 'rag journo's'.

 

[HelloCity]

It's poor form from the mods that Pigeonho still has an account on here. He really takes the enjoyment out of any thread he's involved in.

Almost every post of his is designed to provoke a negative reaction from City fans. I've yet to see a thread he's posted in not degrade into a spat between him and another blue.

I'm of the opinion that he's the greatest WUM of all time. Amazing he's lasted so long despite such blatant trolling and shit stirring.

 

[This and only this]

Every single thread Pidge, without exception.

And the "rag meedya" comment was wilfully ignorant. Sports media particularly, but all of the media to some degree, present the narrative that creates the most wealth for themselves. It has been known since Woodrow Wilson's Creel Commission in the late 1910s that you cannot gain popularity by presenting dissenting opinions with the audience; audiences, as you so rapidly identify within this and other threads, prefer to read an echo chamber rather than something that challenge's their notions.

The problem I've always had with your opinion here is that you recognise this but for some reason don't continue this logical train which would conclude that the people in the media also know this.

The vast majority of the audiences of the Sun, Mirror, Star, etc dislike City. The vast majority of their audience is also likely to support one of the big 5 clubs. The "agenda" isn't something where a bunch of conspirators sit in dimly lit basements talking about how to disrespect City next (though any journo will tell you that they often communicate after press conferences on which line they are running), it is that these papers have a financial incentive to denigrate City and make the extremely popular teams look better.

This financial incentive has held them in good stead, especially in the age of new media where they are just rushing out stories with no sort of fact checking and "communications departments" exist at all of the major clubs.

This

 

[Pigeonho]

It's poor form from the mods that Pigeonho still has an account on here. He really takes the enjoyment out of any thread he's involved in.

Almost every post of his is designed to provoke a negative reaction from City fans. I've yet to see a thread he's posted in not degrade into a spat between him and another blue.

I'm of the opinion that he's the greatest WUM of all time. Amazing he's lasted so long despite such blatant trolling and shit stirring.

Is that right? You don't look at many threads then, either that or the ones you think I might be in, defending all things agenda.
Maybe one day when you're 'top blue' enough to have a mod badge, you can ban me. Be interesting to see under what terms though.
Sad.