Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 2)

[blueinsa]

Learn to write and spell before you post.

From the man that just brought us this....

Stop twisiting the words of others on here to support your own ideas and thinking and you your agenda.

You obviously don't do irony or intelligent debate?

 

[daztrueblue91]

If you look at our fixtures between now and December there is no reason why we shouldn't be in the top 3 and have qualified for the next round of the CL.

October:
Bayern (H) - Not losing would be a good result for us however there is no reason why we cannot win the game.
Everton (H) - IMO this is a must win game.
West Ham (A) - Again this is a must win game due to our away form. And two consecutive league wins will put us right up there in the league.
CSKA (A) - This game is the biggest one for us in the CL so far. If we don't lose here then I reckon we will qualify.
Chelsea (A) - I can see us winning. We always seem to raise our games for the 'bigger' teams.
Newcastle (A) - This is in the league cup and our B team so to speak are more than capable of getting something from Newcastle's weaker team.

If we can get 7 points in the league and 4 in the CL it will have been an excellent month. But I think 6 points in the league and 2 in the CL will still be a good return.

November:
Norwich (H) - Must win, we cannot afford to lose points to the likes of Norwich at home.
CSKA (H) - Again a crucial game in the CL. We win this in addition to draws with Bayern and CSKA then we have practically qualified.
Sunderland (A) - No reason we shouldn't win this game.
Spurs (H) - We should be winning the our home games against our title rivals.
Plzen (H) - On paper an easy win. Win this and we have qualified.

There is no reason we shouldn't win all of our fixtures in November. But the CL games are crucial. 7 points in the league and 6 in the CL will be an brilliant turnout. Any thing less and we might struggle.

14 points out of 18 in the league and UCL qualification before Bayern away would stand us in great stead for the rest of the season. There is no reason why Pelle can't guide us to these results.

 

[blueinsa]

We will win the league this season and easily qualify for the group stages of the CL.

Bookmark it and get back to me come the end of the season if we dont.

 

[adrianr]

Best defence is judged by goals conceded and cleans sheets, not tackles and shots conceded because one shot is not equal to another, ditto tackles.

Neither are perfect indicators in isolation, but football, like anything, is ultimately a game of probability. A team could concede lots of shots, but face teams continually lacking their shooting boots, lucky deflections, etc. 0 goals conceded. Alternatively a team could concede almost no shots, but face teams who are unerringly clinical, and knock home the 3 chances they get all game. Both scenarios will play out plenty of times this season.

The fewer shots you concede, the lower your chances of letting in goals. This is undoubtedly a sign of a better defence. I imagine if you were to take a large enough sample size the best defences in the league would most often concede both fewest shots AND concede the fewest goals (I don't think clean sheets is a particularly good measure, but again, it would probably correlate closely).

As it stands we simply don't have enough information on Pellegrini's City side to properly determine whether the defence has improved or not. A simple change in formation could be enough to skew the results hugely this early on. Will be interesting to see the numbers at the end.

 

[TGR]

We will win the league this season and easily qualify for the group stages of the CL.

Bookmark it and get back to me come the end of the season if we dont.

Bookmarked.

 

[FromPollockToSilva]

Best defence is judged by goals conceded and cleans sheets, not tackles and shots conceded because one shot is not equal to another, ditto tackles.

Neither are perfect indicators in isolation, but football, like anything, is ultimately a game of probability. A team could concede lots of shots, but face teams continually lacking their shooting boots, lucky deflections, etc. 0 goals conceded. Alternatively a team could concede almost no shots, but face teams who are unerringly clinical, and knock home the 3 chances they get all game. Both scenarios will play out plenty of times this season.

The fewer shots you concede, the lower your chances of letting in goals. This is undoubtedly a sign of a better defence. I imagine if you were to take a large enough sample size the best defences in the league would most often concede both fewest shots AND concede the fewest goals (I don't think clean sheets is a particularly good measure, but again, it would probably correlate closely).

As it stands we simply don't have enough information on Pellegrini's City side to properly determine whether the defence has improved or not. A simple change in formation could be enough to skew the results hugely this early on. Will be interesting to see the numbers at the end.

Excellent post.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Valid points and the next two games will show where we are at present.

We play a side who has done it all has a new manager who is lauded as one the best going around and appears hungry for more success on every front on Wednesday.

We then play a side undefeated in the league , playing some exciting football without any other games to distract them from giving it their best shot on Saturday with a second to none record at our place in the recent past.

Anything but a win on Saturday and rightly so MP will be talked about in similar terms to Moyes by all and sundry.

Every game is important and the next one always more important than the previous one but the pressure on the players and MP if they don't come up trumps against Everton on Saturday will jack up another level.

Despite the games we have played to date and the stuff ups away from home and as you say the lousy performance against Hull , Saturday is our first real test of the season.

If we fall at the first hurdle we might not be talking about winning the title for too much longer and we know what is left for us after that as far as qualification for next years Chump League is concerned.

Some think there is much improvement to come from us this season and I would sincerely hope that is the case because we are currently seventh on goal difference playing like a side that deserves to be in mid table at best.

You've hit the nail on the head that there is much improvement to come overall.

I honestly believe it will. I've got faith in these players and the new manager to get it right every week, not every other week.

The title is there for the taking.

Dismal,
Mancity1 actually said:
'Some think there is much improvement to come from us this season and I would sincerely hope that is the case because we are currently seventh on goal difference playing like a side that deserves to be in mid table at best.'

He didn't say he thought there was much improvement to come from us this season.

Stop twisiting the words of others on here to support your own ideas and thinking and you your agenda.

It's like being grilled by Jeremy Paxman himself, this.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

You've hit the nail on the head that there is much improvement to come overall.

I honestly believe it will. I've got faith in these players and the new manager to get it right every week, not every other week.

The title is there for the taking.

Dismal,
Mancity1 actually said:
'Some think there is much improvement to come from us this season and I would sincerely hope that is the case because we are currently seventh on goal difference playing like a side that deserves to be in mid table at best.'

He didn't say he thought there was much improvement to come from us this season.

Stop twisiting the words of others on here to support your own ideas and thinking and you your agenda.

It's like being grilled by Jeremy Paxman himself, this.

And you're Ben Swain

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqUZdG-_SM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqUZdG-_SM</a>

 

[TGR]

Dismal,
Mancity1 actually said:
'Some think there is much improvement to come from us this season and I would sincerely hope that is the case because we are currently seventh on goal difference playing like a side that deserves to be in mid table at best.'

He didn't say he thought there was much improvement to come from us this season.

Stop twisiting the words of others on here to support your own ideas and thinking and you your agenda.

It's like being grilled by Jeremy Paxman himself, this.

And you're Ben Swain

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqUZdG-_SM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqUZdG-_SM</a>

Excellent ;-)
Thank you.

 

[Skashion]

Neither are perfect indicators in isolation, but football, like anything, is ultimately a game of probability. A team could concede lots of shots, but face teams continually lacking their shooting boots, lucky deflections, etc. 0 goals conceded. Alternatively a team could concede almost no shots, but face teams who are unerringly clinical, and knock home the 3 chances they get all game. Both scenarios will play out plenty of times this season.

The fewer shots you concede, the lower your chances of letting in goals. This is undoubtedly a sign of a better defence. I imagine if you were to take a large enough sample size the best defences in the league would most often concede both fewest shots AND concede the fewest goals (I don't think clean sheets is a particularly good measure, but again, it would probably correlate closely).

As it stands we simply don't have enough information on Pellegrini's City side to properly determine whether the defence has improved or not. A simple change in formation could be enough to skew the results hugely this early on. Will be interesting to see the numbers at the end.

Fewest goals conceded isn't the best measure of a defence? What do you think it is a defence's job to do? Shots on targets don't win points, goals do. Conceding fewer shots on target means nothing if the shots on target the opposition are having are more clear-cut, which they have been, meaning more goals conceded. Using a simple extrapolation of goals conceded per game the trajectory is that we will concede 44 this season. Hopefully we won't and the defence will improve but it's pathetic to try and claim the defence already has improved based on an irrelevant stat which is in contradiction with a highly relevant stat like goals conceded.