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OB1 said:
Whilst I am critical of Manuel tonight; there is a lot of drama queenery going on across the various threads. Chelsea executed their game plan well; whereas City did not execute theirs well enough. City had plenty of the ball and enough opportunities to have scored; indeed City should have opened the scoring.

Dzeko had five goal attempts and did not hit the target once. Silva had five too and only hit the target once; he should have scored at least once.

As I just posted in the Pellikeegan thread, surely if there'd been some great tactical blunder the stats would bare this out. They don't. We had the better of the game. Chelsea didn't do to us what Bayern did. They didn't keep the ball off us or dominate us. They beat us on the counter because we couldn't get our game together in the final third.
 
FromPollockToSilva said:
mike channon´s windmill said:
City Raider said:
Luck plays such a role and Fernandinho was just worse possible break for us. I pray MP isn't, as has been said, just a really unlucky manager.


Me too but it doesn´t look good for him getting done by that twat again - big fears about him just not being a winner although the football has been phenomenal at times. Got to be ruthless in this game and show no mercy but tonight he kept players on who should have been hauled off. The injuries have compounded everything and I really fear for us the next few weeks.
Shit happens I suppose

I'm struggling to see who he could have brought on. As much as everyone seems to love Milner in central midfield (based on one good season with Aston Villa), Mancini and Pellegrini, plus whichever poor sod is managing England at any given moment, do not seem to rate him in that position at all. I would suggest that there's probably a reason for that.

If Milner had played instead of MDM, I doubt that Milner would have won 7 tackles or completed 90% of his passes.
 
Will be interesting how he reacts. Will the team go out at Norwich and rip them apart or we lose valuable points away from home...
Wtih Pool-Arsenal also it could go well for us ( win for us, loss to Arsenal), but also horribly wrong ( dropping points for us, win for Arsenal, they could do it, their defence is good)...

Too many tacitcal mistakes from Pellegrini tonight, he maybe thought he can get away with it vs Chelsea like he did vs Bayern at home. Two strikers worth fuck all if you cant get them into great scoring chances. We struggled to get Dzeko into chances when we did he missed them anyway. Negredo didnt even have a shot maybe cant remember.

Milner on left tracking back as much as Hazard did for them, Silva middle, Negredo upfront, Navas on right that could have been a better first 11 for me. But anything really other than a slow Demi/Yaya duo, with problems of tracking back of Yaya and speed of Demi.
Vs very strong/energetic Chelsea midfield and Hazard, Willian moved to the middle lot of the times, Mourinho saw we are weak there and he punished it...

I fear our bigger matches away from home will be very hard, not many will be giving us gifts like Sherwood, with a weak duo (Bentaleb-Eriksen).
Today they marked Silva very well outside the box, he hardly could create anything, closed running space for Yaya, marked strikers very well, pressed our midfield and attack us with pace.
Mourinho did his homework big time.
 
Re: Pellikeegan

Shaelumstash said:
city91 said:
Shaelumstash said:
I've mentioned many times over the season that I think Pellegrini is tactically naive.

For the record, I think he's doing a good job. Some of the football we have played this season has been brilliant. The first 30 minutes away at Spurs is possibly the best I've ever seen us play.

But because I like him and think he's doing a good job, doesn't mean he is above criticism. He openly admits that he sets his team up his way and he doesn't worry about the opposition. That to me in the modern game is naive and gives our opponents an advantage.


By all means criticise the manager or players after a defeat but do it in the match day thread. Don't start a new one to slag off our manager it just seems petty and uncalled for. You're coming across like your glad Pelle fucked up so you can prove a point.

Apologies if that's how it's come across. That is not my intention.

I repeat, I like Pellegrini and think he's doing a good job. My point is he is tactically naive. If people don't agree, I'm very eager to hear their opinion of what went wrong tonight.

It's not what you are saying -----it's your seemingly celebratory tone that's getting up peoples nose, Chelsea deserved to win---Big Deal, one game. We lost and surprise surprise, it happens in sport. I think,however, Pelligrinni could have come up with something unexpected to puzzle
the Gobby One. I'd have gone with one striker,knowing that without Fernandido the midfield would lack some pace, What do I know---I find picking my nose impossible without a mirror,
 
Mancini Manus Domini said:
Is there really any point in having Milner and Rodwell?

Not if they're injured. It's OK saying Rodwell can do this and that, but he was bloody awful
against Watford. So what games can we ease him back in ????
 
Mister Appointment said:
OB1 said:
Whilst I am critical of Manuel tonight; there is a lot of drama queenery going on across the various threads. Chelsea executed their game plan well; whereas City did not execute theirs well enough. City had plenty of the ball and enough opportunities to have scored; indeed City should have opened the scoring.

Dzeko had five goal attempts and did not hit the target once. Silva had five too and only hit the target once; he should have scored at least once.

As I just posted in the Pellikeegan thread, surely if there'd been some great tactical blunder the stats would bare this out. They don't. We had the better of the game. Chelsea didn't do to us what Bayern did. They didn't keep the ball off us or dominate us. They beat us on the counter because we couldn't get our game together in the final third.

They also, crucially, scored first; with a left foot pile driver from their right back.
 
Have enjoyed the ride so far - but today he got it badly wrong - once Fernandinho was out it was no time to p*ss about with two up front - I'm left totally baffled by what happened today ... Yaya is getting some stick but he was hung out to dry by Pellegrini ..
 
OB1 said:
Mister Appointment said:
OB1 said:
Whilst I am critical of Manuel tonight; there is a lot of drama queenery going on across the various threads. Chelsea executed their game plan well; whereas City did not execute theirs well enough. City had plenty of the ball and enough opportunities to have scored; indeed City should have opened the scoring.

Dzeko had five goal attempts and did not hit the target once. Silva had five too and only hit the target once; he should have scored at least once.

As I just posted in the Pellikeegan thread, surely if there'd been some great tactical blunder the stats would bare this out. They don't. We had the better of the game. Chelsea didn't do to us what Bayern did. They didn't keep the ball off us or dominate us. They beat us on the counter because we couldn't get our game together in the final third.

They also, crucially, scored first; with a left foot pile driver from their right back.

Pellers will carry the can as manager, both in the press and on the forum. I pity Norwich. They will have tonight's result taken out on them.
 
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This is my first post as a City fan in this forum and the loss of Fernandinho, was where the match was lost clearly from my eyes. Aguero, not being in the match could probably take the score line higher if fit but Fernandinho is where the game could be level and we could easily nicked it. That's my opinion and Pellegrini is a fantastic coach and will never ever want him to be replaced because this is the way Manchester City should play. Today's game shows we are really thin in a quality CDM and I knew it that Fernando would've been ideal and Mangala can be waited for in the summer if targeted.
 
Re: Anti football vs Beautiful football....

Cityinmyheart said:
Well the c**t ha same points as of us as being a nasty bi*ch.........rough football seems his way......we should also become tough and play them at their rugby match..

chelsea is Next stoke city.....

Thought Chelski were excellent did not see much anti football to be honest they were just far far more motivated better organised and were better drilled.

Seem to remember we did not take many prisoners and we were also more pragmatic when we won the title
 
Mister Appointment said:
OB1 said:
Mister Appointment said:
As I just posted in the Pellikeegan thread, surely if there'd been some great tactical blunder the stats would bare this out. They don't. We had the better of the game. Chelsea didn't do to us what Bayern did. They didn't keep the ball off us or dominate us. They beat us on the counter because we couldn't get our game together in the final third.

They also, crucially, scored first; with a left foot pile driver from their right back.

Pellers will carry the can as manager, both in the press and on the forum. I pity Norwich. They will have tonight's result taken out on them.

Just had another look at the stats and our pass completion was 83% against their 73%; we also won 32 tackles compared to their 15 (but some people post that they wanted it more).
 
Re: Pellikeegan

Pellegrini is a top manager. For starters he plays good attacking football. Only Guardiola, Wenger, van Gaal and one or two others do the same. With Heynckes and Ferguson retired its a dying breed.

He hasn't won much, but what can you win at a club with Malaga's resources. He will win silverware this season. He is also a gentleman.
 
Re: Anti football vs Beautiful football....

Anti football has just done the double on us and tonight was far from anti football
 
Re: Anti football vs Beautiful football....

Chelsea didn't play anti football tonight - delete this thread. Considering the a amount of decent threads that get merged and ultimately lost the powers that be will
Probably deem this one fine.
 
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dctid said:
Cityinmyheart said:
Well the c**t ha same points as of us as being a nasty bi*ch.........rough football seems his way......we should also become tough and play them at their rugby match..

chelsea is Next stoke city.....

Thought Chelski were excellent did not see much anti football to be honest they were just far far more motivated better organised and were better drilled.

Seem to remember we did not take many prisoners and we were also more pragmatic when we won the title

They were time wasting from the first 5 minutes and strangled the life out of the game. Pulls would be proud.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
Mancini Manus Domini said:
Is there really any point in having Milner and Rodwell?

Not if they're injured. It's OK saying Rodwell can do this and that, but he was bloody awful
against Watford. So what games can we ease him back in ????
Central midfield is his natural position, and we're losing anyway so why do we keep a 33 year old centre half on in his position.? What is there to lose? The game was stretched and we needed some energy, someone to cover and to make runs. Playing MDM put too much pressure on everyone else.
 
meeesh said:
Only 18 months gap before Pep arrives,then the engineer and his half asleep at every game mate can go back to Sth America (hopefully as title winners) mind
Lol....

But in all seriousness, give MP a break....... He adapted his rigid 4-4-2 back in November to a more fluid 4-4-1-1 where one of the strikers would drop into midfield and help out when we were defending. I'm sure he'll learn from this harsh lesson tonight that pragmatism won't triumph over tactics where 2 evenly matched teams are concerned.

The Chavs are no mugs and we should have afforded them more respect and been more up for the match. From 2 minutes in I could see that they wanted it more than we did and they fought from then on until the final minute of the game and we came nowhere near matching them for endeavour and this was the most disappointing aspect of tonights match. I had a feeling of foreboding tonight which was proved right, but I'm sure we've got enough about us to recover from this and learn from this match which could have been a heavy defeat.

All managers make mistakes, but its how Pellegrini recovers from this that will be the measure of the man. He's adapted once already this season and I fully expect him to do so again. I so badly wanted him to wipe that smug look off Maureen's face it fucking hurt, but I hope although the fuckin bastard has won the 2 battles so far, that ultmately its MP who wins the war.
 
Re: Anti football vs Beautiful football....

From my seat they created more chances and had more desire. City weren't at the races..
 
Too stubborn for his own good. As soon as Fernandinho was injured the game plan should have changed to 451. It's worrying that he can't see that
 
Re: Pellikeegan

He's tactical inept. Great man manager but tactical very poor. I would say at least it's a wake up call before barca but we had a similar wake up call against bayern at home - changed the formation after 60 mins. Tonight should have changed it at half time.
 
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