Discuss Pellegrini...

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Matty said:
I don't believe Pellegrini is the long term answer, I'd be very surprised if he was our manager in 5 years time, and I'd be astounded if he was still here in 10 years. What he is, however, is perfect for the here and now. If I were to guess at where our footballing directors, and our owner, would like Manchester City to be, in terms of managerial appointments in the future then I's say they would very much like to create a conveyor belt of managers within the club. When your manager leaves, or is fired, then someone from within our (hopefully) hugely successful academy structure could step forward. Someone like Vieira, or an as yet unknown name. It's the way Barcelona tried to do it, with the inexperienced Guardiola coming from inside the club, and the unfortunate Tito Vilanova. It may not always work, and we may need to bring in external support, but the aim I believe will be to try and develop our own staff.

A cracking post from top to bottom Matty.

I think it's fair to say from Soriano's own words that the club hierarchy don't see management appointments in terms of long dynasties ala Ferguson or Wenger, but rather cycles of 3 -5 years. What will be important moving forward as you allude to above, is continuity both on the field and off the field. This absolutely feeds into the idea of developing your own managers in house, but it also forces you as a club to ensure that basic footballing principles remain intact and any managerial appointment must first adhere to those principles.

To put it another way, and I know it can feel contentious at times, but it basically means success isn't the be all and end all of what we're building. Success will follow, in the eyes of the executive team and I suppose by extension Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour, from adhering to certain footballing and non footballing principles and allowing them to become the identity of the club.

Pellegrini ticked all the most important boxes last summer (if you accept that success alone in terms of trophies wasn't an important box which it clearly wasn't) and has so far shown to be capable of not only working within the structure the club provide, but doing so in a manner which also incorporates actually tangible (trophy) success. That's not to say there won't be failures or moments where he doesn't succeed, but the pressure which will come to bare on him if he has a poor season will not be the kind of scrutiny Mancini was under last season because ultimately he's a good fit as a manager and by virtue of this will be afforded more time/space than someone who actively kicks against the structure the club has.
 
When Pell has had enough I want Martinez to manage us, he's young, got balls and he is very tactically astute. Going forward we need that type of manager, he's the outstanding candidate for me by a mile.

In the meantime I expect Pell to carry on and lead us to a good few more trophies yet.
 
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BillyShears said:
Matty said:
I don't believe Pellegrini is the long term answer, I'd be very surprised if he was our manager in 5 years time, and I'd be astounded if he was still here in 10 years. What he is, however, is perfect for the here and now. If I were to guess at where our footballing directors, and our owner, would like Manchester City to be, in terms of managerial appointments in the future then I's say they would very much like to create a conveyor belt of managers within the club. When your manager leaves, or is fired, then someone from within our (hopefully) hugely successful academy structure could step forward. Someone like Vieira, or an as yet unknown name. It's the way Barcelona tried to do it, with the inexperienced Guardiola coming from inside the club, and the unfortunate Tito Vilanova. It may not always work, and we may need to bring in external support, but the aim I believe will be to try and develop our own staff.

A cracking post from top to bottom Matty.

I think it's fair to say from Soriano's own words that the club hierarchy don't see management appointments in terms of long dynasties ala Ferguson or Wenger, but rather cycles of 3 -5 years. What will be important moving forward as you allude to above, is continuity both on the field and off the field. This absolutely feeds into the idea of developing your own managers in house, but it also forces you as a club to ensure that basic footballing principles remain intact and any managerial appointment must first adhere to those principles.

To put it another way, and I know it can feel contentious at times, but it basically means success isn't the be all and end all of what we're building. Success will follow, in the eyes of the executive team and I suppose by extension Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour, from adhering to certain footballing and non footballing principles and allowing them to become the identity of the club.

Pellegrini ticked all the most important boxes last summer (if you accept that success alone in terms of trophies wasn't an important box which it clearly wasn't) and has so far shown to be capable of not only working within the structure the club provide, but doing so in a manner which also incorporates actually tangible (trophy) success. That's not to say there won't be failures or moments where he doesn't succeed, but the pressure which will come to bare on him if he has a poor season will not be the kind of scrutiny Mancini was under last season because ultimately he's a good fit as a manager and by virtue of this will be afforded more time/space than someone who actively kicks against the structure the club has.

There was a reason the word 'hollisitc' was used. Despite being mocked, it is exactly what is wanted and required in order to achieve all goals. We want to be a complete club, rather than a first team squad almost acting as a seperate entity to eveything else. It's that which will enable development from within; both of players and managers etc.
Carzolas comments about Pelligrini just further fill me with confidence that we have the right man in place to bring everyone together, and lay these initial foundations and more.
 
Yes, I do firmly believe that we can win the CL under Pellegrini,

Granted, he has made some mistakes this season, But what we must remember is that this is his first season in England, it has took the players a while too to adapt to his methods in terms of both pressing and playing a defensive high line, but I firmly believe that we are on the right track, the biggest obstacle in terms of Europe is the actual mentality of the team in big games, It is my opinion that when we play the likes of Barca/Madrid/Bayern we seem to be showing them far too respect, from both players to fans.

We can also remember that this season we have already won a trophy, and the football itself has been absolutely breathtaking, hitting top teams for 6, not to mention an absolutely emphatic victory over United.

Regardless of whether or not we win the league this season, we will get better next season, and we will continue to get better. If we win the league this season, MP deserves the utmost respect and Potentially the manager of the season award, coming over from Spain, playing a brilliant brand of attacking free-flowing football.
 
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dancity19 said:
Carzolas comments about Pelligrini just further fill me with confidence that we have the right man in place to bring everyone together, and lay these initial foundations and more.

Totally agree ... not sure if Cazorla's comments have been posted on the forum but here they are.

I learnt a lot from of all of the managers I have played for, but if I had to choose one it would be Pellegrini.
 
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BillyShears said:
dancity19 said:
Carzolas comments about Pelligrini just further fill me with confidence that we have the right man in place to bring everyone together, and lay these initial foundations and more.

Totally agree ... not sure if Cazorla's comments have been posted on the forum but here they are.

I learnt a lot from of all of the managers I have played for, but if I had to choose one it would be Pellegrini.

Just realised I put Carzola. My most hated mistake in football. Embarrassing.

Brilliant quote, though. And also sounds like a bit of a 'come and get me' cry, if they do actually exist.
 
Speaking of his admiration for the 60-year-old Chilean, Cazorla said: "I learnt a lot from of all of the managers I have played for, but if I had to choose one it would be Pellegrini.

"He's the coach that has given me the most during five to six years that I worked with him at Villarreal and Malaga.

"He was the first person who took me to Malaga. We have a great relationship and I congratulate him because he's doing well. But Manchester has not called me."
 
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
Yes, I do firmly believe that we can win the CL under Pellegrini,

Granted, he has made some mistakes this season, But what we must remember is that this is his first season in England, it has took the players a while too to adapt to his methods in terms of both pressing and playing a defensive high line, but I firmly believe that we are on the right track, the biggest obstacle in terms of Europe is the actual mentality of the team in big games, It is my opinion that when we play the likes of Barca/Madrid/Bayern we seem to be showing them far too respect, from both players to fans.

We can also remember that this season we have already won a trophy, and the football itself has been absolutely breathtaking, hitting top teams for 6, not to mention an absolutely emphatic victory over United.

Regardless of whether or not we win the league this season, we will get better next season, and we will continue to get better. If we win the league this season, MP deserves the utmost respect and Potentially the manager of the season award, coming over from Spain, playing a brilliant brand of attacking free-flowing football.

Absolutely true. Especially with regards to showing too much respect to the "big teams" in Europe. Look at Atletico, granted, they play Real and Barca with far more regularity, but they are absolutely fearless and efficient. Same goes for Dortmund. I think Pellegrini will continue to do a good job for us and the players are only going to be more confident in the CL next year after their performance against Bayern and Barca.
 
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