Discuss Pellegrini...

[Didsbury Dave]

If we win on sunday i will take back everything i have ever said about him

The fact that you will base your entire opinion of any manager on one result speaks volumes about your judgement,

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Re: Discuss Pellegirini...

Where's the fantastic post you referred to, levets?





All I can see is a bog-standard "they are both great" cop out ;-)

One man's cop out is another mans accurate assessment!

Mancini and Pellegrini clearly have very different managerial styles, and also very different tactical approaches to the game. Both have proven to be successful in their own way.

When we replaced Mark Hughes (a man woefully out of his depth) with Roberto Mancini it was a shrewd appointment by the club. He came with a CV brimming with success (albeit only on a domestic level) and a steely determination to lift Manchester City to heights they hadn't reached for decades. He brought the success we all yearned for, and we actually played some quite entertaining football under him at times. The Mancini managerial style, which was part of his initial success, was also part of his eventual downfall. In the short term Mancini's methodology, and his man management and personal skills are just what is required to bring success to a struggling side, his belief that he was always right, and that you did things his way, or you weren't involved at all, galvanised the group, if not by respect, then by fear and by solidarity.

Unfortunately Mancini's style, which is one where the stick is used with regularity but the carrot very rarely sees the light of day, has a shelf life. Eventually the intense pressure and the relentless nature of it all comes to a head, people stop being motivated by the man and start to resent him. Players, directors and club staff alike, one by one, started to see whatever relationship they had with Mancini sour. Whilst on field success was being delivered people could look past the issues that having a man like Mancini in charge brought with it, however once the on field side of things started to suffer (albeit not to a huge degree, as in his final season we still finished 2nd in the league, and reached a domestic cup final) there was a lack of goodwill present to save the man.

Mancini brought success to this club, and he brought moments we will remember for as long as we live, and we'll all always be grateful to him for those. He was never going to be the long term solution to the Manchester City managerial role though, his personality and single mindedness made it difficult for Manchester City to develop in the way the owner, Begiristain and Soriano envisage. He was never going to be the kind of man who would fit neatly into the system and hierarchy we are trying to introduce, he was inflexible as he felt he was always in the right, he had no interest in things that didn't actively enhance the current teams chances of winning. His footballing style wasn't the most entertaining, he wanted to win and wasn't overly concerned with exactly how that winning was achieved. Simply put he was the perfect man to lift City from a promising side with aspirations of greatness to a successful side with trophies behind them, but he was far from the perfect man to continue Manchester City along that path, certainly when you consider the trajectory and model we are trying to establish.

Manuel Pellegrini fits far better into the model City are trying to develop and follow. His natural tactical nature is one where attractive football is the key, he clearly has better man management skills and inter personal skills than Mancini possessed, and he's more willing to "fit" into the structure ans hierarchy that we are introducing. He also brings with him the same innate managerial ability to be successful that Mancini possessed. Pellegrini shouldn't be seen as a compromise, or as a step down from Mancini. Yes, when you look at the trophy haul, it's clear to see that Mancini has been more successful, but Pellegrini has rarely been provided with one of the elite squads in any domestic league. In Spain he was always (aside from one season in Madrid) some distance behind the likes of Barcelona and Real, and potentially Valencia and Atletico at times. Pellegrini is one of Europe's top managers, in the same way that Roberto Mancini is.

I don't believe Pellegrini is the long term answer, I'd be very surprised if he was our manager in 5 years time, and I'd be astounded if he was still here in 10 years. What he is, however, is perfect for the here and now. If I were to guess at where our footballing directors, and our owner, would like Manchester City to be, in terms of managerial appointments in the future then I's say they would very much like to create a conveyor belt of managers within the club. When your manager leaves, or is fired, then someone from within our (hopefully) hugely successful academy structure could step forward. Someone like Vieira, or an as yet unknown name. It's the way Barcelona tried to do it, with the inexperienced Guardiola coming from inside the club, and the unfortunate Tito Vilanova. It may not always work, and we may need to bring in external support, but the aim I believe will be to try and develop our own staff.

Seriously ? Saved me reading the rest of it I suppose.

We broke the Premier League passing record against Stoke in the title winning season, we won 1-5 at Spurs, 1-6 at United, 1-6 at Norwich on my 30th birthday, 3-0 against Liverpool twice, we won the FA Cup and Premier League titles, we scored 93 league goals when we won the league, the 1-0 win over United (Kompany header) is still the best I've ever seen City play...were you bored for three years were you?! Fucking give me strength! We were GREAT to watch under Mancini most of the time.

And this isn't a Mancini v Pellegrini post because I like both. Mancini was a great manager for us. Pellegrini is doing just fine so far. Long way to go before I can say he's been a great manager for us yet but this weekend may go a long way towards helping me.

 

[supercity88]

If we win on sunday i will take back everything i have ever said about him

The fact that you will base your entire opinion of any manager on one result speaks volumes about your judgement,

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I read 80's shorts comment as him having a dig at Matty's post for his lack of praise towards Mancini?

I guess only he can add some clarity.

 

[Troubadour]

Some of our play has been sublime this year - a definite improvement in terms of entertainment and expression. However Anfield is an incredible test of Pelle and his tactical and motivational skills. This is a game we usually lose - a crunch hostile away game against similar quality opposition when it really matters, not a nice cup distraction game but a game that could decide the title. Win this and it really would be impressive. Unfortunately I just can't see anything but a Liverpool win and an ensuing media and Scouse jiz fest of epic proportions.

I don't think you will be to far wrong Gaudino.
The last 2 games against the scousers at the Etihad they have been the better team.
We need to stop Stevie Starfish at source on Sunday. He will be pinging in those long diagonal balls over the top for Suarez & Sturridge to run on to at every opportunity. I have a feeling they will both give the pony-tailed one a nightmare. If we stop Gerrard we have a big chance. However I would bite your hand off at the elbow for a draw right now.

 

[supercity88]

I read 80's shorts comment as him having a dig at Matty's post for his lack of praise towards Mancini?

I guess only he can add some clarity.

I took it to mean he saw reference to us playing good football under Mancini and stopped reading because he didn't consider it accurate. I think Matty's post was a good reflection of things. You have to consider who was available at the time of Mancini's dismissal. What other options the board may have wanted had they not been employed elsewhere. Pellegrini was definitely one of their preferred options but I assume Guardiola would remain on that list. I actually prefer the football we play to Guardiola's style. The total passing from defence through to attack can be a little mundane. Having Messi, Robben and Ribery in his sides has meant they can break teams down in a more direct fashion. If we played that way with our current squad I think we'd be quite easy to defend against - Pellegrini's more quick and direct style is a lot more efficient in our league. Trends in Txiki and Soriano's past mean we look at Vieira and Wilcox even as potentially moving up the ranks within and running the first team. I see that as being something that would be very successful. We shouldn't look to replicate we need our own identity and that can come from the promotion of coaches already working at City. Vieira would attract a lot of top players because he is an idol to many. Wilcox might struggle in that regard because whilst he is known within the club and domestically he isn't globally.

 

[paphos-mcfc]

Some of our play has been sublime this year - a definite improvement in terms of entertainment and expression. However Anfield is an incredible test of Pelle and his tactical and motivational skills. This is a game we usually lose - a crunch hostile away game against similar quality opposition when it really matters, not a nice cup distraction game but a game that could decide the title. Win this and it really would be impressive. Unfortunately I just can't see anything but a Liverpool win and an ensuing media and Scouse jiz fest of epic proportions.

I don't think you will be to far wrong Gaudino.
The last 2 games against the scousers at the Etihad they have been the better team.
We need to stop Stevie Starfish at source on Sunday. He will be pinging in those long diagonal balls over the top for Suarez & Sturridge to run on to at every opportunity. I have a feeling they will both give the pony-tailed one a nightmare. If we stop Gerrard we have a big chance. However I would bite your hand off at the elbow for a draw right now.

A point would be a great result. I just hope that Clattenburg doesn't give the diving fuckers a hat trick of penalties. I can see this game being ruined by bad reffing decisions IMO. I'm sure MP will put out the best side possible.

 

[kaz7]

If we win on sunday i will take back everything i have ever said about him

The fact that you will base your entire opinion of any manager on one result speaks volumes about your judgement,

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Laugh,it was a tongue in cheek remark
But the lovely dismal does love to have a go despite me already saying to him i like pellers and think he is doing a good job

 

[SWP's back]

If we win on sunday i will take back everything i have ever said about him

I'm sure that will motivate him.

 

[supercity88]

Some of our play has been sublime this year - a definite improvement in terms of entertainment and expression. However Anfield is an incredible test of Pelle and his tactical and motivational skills. This is a game we usually lose - a crunch hostile away game against similar quality opposition when it really matters, not a nice cup distraction game but a game that could decide the title. Win this and it really would be impressive. Unfortunately I just can't see anything but a Liverpool win and an ensuing media and Scouse jiz fest of epic proportions.

I don't think you will be to far wrong Gaudino.
The last 2 games against the scousers at the Etihad they have been the better team.
We need to stop Stevie Starfish at source on Sunday. He will be pinging in those long diagonal balls over the top for Suarez & Sturridge to run on to at every opportunity. I have a feeling they will both give the pony-tailed one a nightmare. If we stop Gerrard we have a big chance. However I would bite your hand off at the elbow for a draw right now.

A point would be a great result. I just hope that Clattenburg doesn't give the diving fuckers a hat trick of penalties. I can see this game being ruined by bad reffing decisions IMO. I'm sure MP will put out the best side possible.

Clattenburg is unlikely to give in to the crowd. He is generally well aware of those kind of gameplans. We need someone man marking Gerrard. Mark him out of the game and it restricts Liverpool completely. They will look to run off the shoulders of our full backs so we need to watch for that but their game plan is pretty obvious and their claims to be tactically adept are bollocks. They play a variation on the same style week in week out in the premier league and they've still lost to teams like Hull and Southampton who have limited the space and counter attacked. We are superior to Liverpool in that they can try to close Silva down but he still finds a way to get on the ball, and we have other threats that are just as effective. Sturridge, Henderson, Sterling can have the ball at feet and do very little, Gerrard and Suarez need to be pressured and marked out of the game and Gerrard is the key man. I'd get Fernandinho or Milner on him all game. He also gets tasked with defensive duties but isn't particularly quick at closing the space anymore. Will be interesting to see whether Rodgers alters the midfield trio in light of us coming to town. I think he will play Lucas instead of Coutinho to try and stop Silva and Yaya finding gaps in the centre.