Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[bondsman]

You're not even arguing something I said here, you're arguing something that superficially resembles something I said by your own admission. I can't defend positions I don't hold about arguments we've never had regarding comments that nobody ever said.

No mate ,he's talking common sense.
As the team goes backwards you're waffling on about vision, identity and values as though these are separate issues from having a successful side.
So we need your long term thinking yes, but we also need to spend some serious cash now and recruit the best manager we can get for our club. Otherwise all the talk about the long term will remain just that i.e. talk.

Again, I can't address any points unless people actually make points.

At least you're consistent in your self righteous arrogance I'll give you that.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

You're not even arguing something I said here, you're arguing something that superficially resembles something I said by your own admission. I can't defend positions I don't hold about arguments we've never had regarding comments that nobody ever said.

No mate ,he's talking common sense.
As the team goes backwards you're waffling on about vision, identity and values as though these are separate issues from having a successful side.
So we need your long term thinking yes, but we also need to spend some serious cash now and recruit the best manager we can get for our club. Otherwise all the talk about the long term will remain just that i.e. talk.

Again, I can't address any points unless people actually make points.

The specific points are:-

1 Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are no more special than United, Liverpool and Arsenal.
All they are is higher up the food chain.

2 The "right way of doing things" is the Ajax way. Their academy is the model for all others and yes they have brought
through a lot of top players over the years albeit they have the pick of the best young players in the Netherlands.
Ajax have not been consistently successful in Europe however because they have lacked the financial clout of the big boys.
This was even in evidence in the '70s when they lost Cryuff and Neeskens to Barcelona. Juventus who have been funded
for decades by the Agnelli family are in the CL final whilst PSG are far more likely to win the CL before Ajax win it again.
Youth development is important but it is generally trumped by finance. Luckily we are working on both.

3 Vision, identity and values are irrelevant when you have a manager who can't organise a defence, close out a win when 2-0 up
or even get the team to take a decent corner.

 

[OB1]

3 Vision, identity and values are irrelevant when you have a manager who can't organise a defence, close out a win when 2-0 up
or even get the team to take a decent corner.

We have won nine competitive fixtures by 1 or 2 nil this season so obviously he can get his team to close out such games.

I'm not a fan of the offside trap but City's is effective and provides clear evidence of the ability to organise a defence.

Our corners have been a problem this season but the worst part has been the delivery of the person taking the kick and Pellegrini has given several players a go at it. I'd prefer we went for more inswingers but they will be no more effective if the delivery is poor. The problems with corners are mainly down to the players' poor execution. That said, after a long dry spell, we have started to score from corners again and Mangala alone had three headers from (our) corners on Sunday.

 

[blueinsa]

3 Vision, identity and values are irrelevant when you have a manager who can't organise a defence, close out a win when 2-0 up
or even get the team to take a decent corner.

We have won nine competitive fixtures by 1 or 2 nil this season so obviously he can get his team to close out such games.

I'm not a fan of the offside trap but City's is effective and provides clear evidence of the ability to organise a defence.

Our corners have been a problem this season but the worst part has been the delivery of the person taking the kick and Pellegrini has given several players a go at it. I'd prefer we went for more inswingers but they will be no more effective if the delivery is poor. The problems with corners are mainly down to the players' poor execution. That said, after a long dry spell, we have started to score from corners again and Mangala alone had three headers from (our) corners on Sunday.

I don't know why you bother mate when all you are faced with are tired old clichés that are based on nothing more than hate half the time rather than actual facts.

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

 

[OB1]

3 Vision, identity and values are irrelevant when you have a manager who can't organise a defence, close out a win when 2-0 up
or even get the team to take a decent corner.

We have won nine competitive fixtures by 1 or 2 nil this season so obviously he can get his team to close out such games.

I'm not a fan of the offside trap but City's is effective and provides clear evidence of the ability to organise a defence.

Our corners have been a problem this season but the worst part has been the delivery of the person taking the kick and Pellegrini has given several players a go at it. I'd prefer we went for more inswingers but they will be no more effective if the delivery is poor. The problems with corners are mainly down to the players' poor execution. That said, after a long dry spell, we have started to score from corners again and Mangala alone had three headers from (our) corners on Sunday.

I don't know why you bother mate when all you are faced with are tired old clichés that are based on nothing more than hate half the time rather than actual facts.

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

I like trying to push water uphill ;-)

 

[halfcenturyup]

3 Vision, identity and values are irrelevant when you have a manager who can't organise a defence, close out a win when 2-0 up
or even get the team to take a decent corner.

We have won nine competitive fixtures by 1 or 2 nil this season so obviously he can get his team to close out such games.

I'm not a fan of the offside trap but City's is effective and provides clear evidence of the ability to organise a defence.

Our corners have been a problem this season but the worst part has been the delivery of the person taking the kick and Pellegrini has given several players a go at it. I'd prefer we went for more inswingers but they will be no more effective if the delivery is poor. The problems with corners are mainly down to the players' poor execution. That said, after a long dry spell, we have started to score from corners again and Mangala alone had three headers from (our) corners on Sunday.

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

We have won nine competitive fixtures by 1 or 2 nil this season so obviously he can get his team to close out such games.

I'm not a fan of the offside trap but City's is effective and provides clear evidence of the ability to organise a defence.

Our corners have been a problem this season but the worst part has been the delivery of the person taking the kick and Pellegrini has given several players a go at it. I'd prefer we went for more inswingers but they will be no more effective if the delivery is poor. The problems with corners are mainly down to the players' poor execution. That said, after a long dry spell, we have started to score from corners again and Mangala alone had three headers from (our) corners on Sunday.

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

Hasn't delivered much this season although second wouldn't be sniffed at.
I get your drift and I've mellowed my stance since he has started to improve his selections and look interested. I'd give him another year if Klopp, Simeone or Pep aren't realistic options.
He could have delivered so much more and that's the problem - it was entirely of his own making - the lack of motivation, tactics, selections etc. He looks to be learning and with a good transfer window from Txiki another year would be fair.

 

[razman]

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

Hasn't delivered much this season although second wouldn't be sniffed at.
I get your drift and I've mellowed my stance since he has started to improve his selections and look interested. I'd give him another year if Klopp, Simeone or Pep aren't realistic options.
He could have delivered so much more and that's the problem - it was entirely of his own making - the lack of motivation, tactics, selections etc. He looks to be learning and with a good transfer window from Txiki another year would be fair.

another year looks to be a given.....reading reports that Klopp is joining Real

 

[Badensbluemoon]

With Pellegrini you know what you are going to get... that is attractive football, possesion of the ball, lots of goals and a shaky defence. It was that way back in the day when he was coaching in Chile and it is the same way now. Not the greatest motivator but someone very calm and moderated and very stubborn with his 4-4-2. You won't see him running across the field and you won't see him giving tactical masterpieces. Is Pellers the one to bring City to the next level? Not so sure, He doesn't have the upper hand when all other things are equal. His teams always lose against Barcelona (if beating Barcelona is the next level) and He won't be the one winning games with great tactical ideas. He did a great job on his first year at City and he did great with Villarreal and Malaga (semis and quarters finals in the champions league) but I don't see him winning the CL (and I believe that's the next level for City now).

 

[halfcenturyup]

Actually, i just edited the previous post to take out the tired old cliches. Well no, I left one or two in or there wouldn't have been anything left.

Looking back, though, that is actually pretty close to how I feel. When Pellegrini was appointed, I suppose we would all have taken 1st, 2nd, knock-out stages in CL twice and a League Cup. So, taking the longer term view, results-wise not bad.

Performance-wise this year, though, there have been some shambolic displays. Maybe we will find out what was going on in the first few months of this year, some day.

Can Pellegrini attract the big names this summer? Can he get the players playing like last season again, next season? Who knows? I will trust the judgement of the owners. If they want him out, honestly, I wouldn't miss him. They want him to stay, that is fine with me too.

Pellegrini is far from perfect but in his time with us so far he has more than delivered.

Hasn't delivered much this season although second wouldn't be sniffed at.
I get your drift and I've mellowed my stance since he has started to improve his selections and look interested. I'd give him another year if Klopp, Simeone or Pep aren't realistic options.
He could have delivered so much more and that's the problem - it was entirely of his own making - the lack of motivation, tactics, selections etc. He looks to be learning and with a good transfer window from Txiki another year would be fair.