Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[Damocles]

I fully get this friendship thing and I don't see Pep managing another PL club as long as Txiki is our DoF. What I find frustrating is that City need him for next season and not the season after, why cant Pep just tell KHR to swivel and say he wants to manage in the PL and he has an opportunity to do so? What loyalty does he have to Bayern that would surpass his friendship with Txiki.

City would obviously rummage down the back of the sofa for the compensation money so come on Pep find your fucking spuds and tell that arrogant German twat of a club your off.

Its my faith in there friendship that tells me I still think its on for next season.

Pep is a man of his word. Something that I presumed that City fans would value

Why stay at Bayern for another season ?

Because he told Bayern he'd be there for three years unless they sacked him

 

[paulchapo]

To add to the mix hasn't Klopp now said he is taking a break for 6-12 months from the game? This is now starting to fall into place. Pepe's contract will be finished next year as will Pellegrini's and Klopp is then available for work again.Easy peasy.

Pepe won't walk out on Bayern it would damage his reputation and it isn't his style i think.

Of course we could all be proven wrong but it would appear it is stay as you were all round for one more season.

 

[cibaman]

We were fined £6m, not £50m. And it wasn't a fine, it was a reduction in Champions League revenue and even then we were allowed to count it on the balance sheet like we did recieve it so it made no difference at all.

We failed FFP because UEFA moved the goalposts at the last minute after our accounts had been run a certain way, because they needed us and PSG to fail politically.

You have no idea who we have and haven't approached.

Txiki WILL 1000000% know what Pep's intentions are.

And again, you have no idea if we have a Plan B. I'm almost certain as a professionally ran organisation then we'll have a Plan B, C, D, E and F.

People are rightly suggesting that he is seen within football as the best Director of Football in the world. To give you an analogy from the playing terms, he is seen as better as a Director of Football than Sergio Aguero is as a striker. You're criticising somebody who is seen as the absolute inarguable best in the world, you're slagging off Lionel Messi

1 The money withheld was 20 million euros which was the first part of the 60 million euro "fine". The rest was suspended.
I'm sure if the 20 million euros lost was your money then Sheikh Mansour would also feel that "it made no difference at all."

2 You also have no idea what Pep has told Txiki his intentions are. You state things as fact yet mock others for speculating.

3 Txiki was sacked by Barcelona after he made a series of fairly terrible deals. He is not the Lionel Messi of DoFs you are being silly.
Ferran, who lost his role after the presidential elections, probably is the best football CEO around. Txiki's reputation is not as high
as Ferran's within the game. Within the Ferran, Txiki, Pep "team" Txiki is arguably the weakest link.

Our failure to meet FFP is more contentious. The club certainly reckon that they were screwed by UEFA.
Some of the related party off charges however looked dodgy and looked like a last minute attempt to balance the books
after Mancini and his coaches had been sacked.

What does any of this have to do with Pep coming to City?

Genuine question btw. None of it relates even remotely as far as I can tell to the actual fact that Pep and Txiki are close enough friends that if he has given an assurance that he's coming to City, we can rest assured he's coming.

Some of the way in which you and others are spinning things to criticise the club seem like an overreaching attempt to prove a point which isn't actually there. We are by my estimation, the best run football club in the PL by a country mile. I'm sure we could take a magnifying glass to any operation the size of MCFC and pick and pull at little things that we think weren't handled exactly as they should be, but overall the churlish nature of some of the critiques seem as i say, like overreaching for the sake of it.

Its a fact that Guardiola and Begiristain are mates, its complete speculation as to whether Guardiola has given Begiristain any assurances.

Its just as reasonable for posters to speculate on the basis that Pep hasnt given any assurances as it is to speculate on the basis that he has given assurances.

 

[flb]

Pep is a man of his word. Something that I presumed that City fans would value

Why stay at Bayern for another season ?

Because he told Bayern he'd be there for three years unless they sacked him

They wont sack him, Pep will have to leave and cite to his employees that an opportunity has arisen that he cant turn down, what is wrong with that? If he's that fucking vain about his reputation then is he really the man for the job?

Since when did reputations count for anything in football management ?

 

[robbieh]

By the end of March, probably before if we are being honest, the title was gone. It had been a bad year and Pellegrini's future was being discussed. I personally felt with the form we were in and 8 games left it was reasonable to set MP a target of 18 points out of the last 24 which would almost certainly save us the problems of finishing 4th or worse missing out altogether.

Well we lost at Palace and United and at this point the situation looked bleak. From my angle he needed 6 out of 6 and that is what he got. So if I am being consistent Pellegrini gets to stay.

What we have learnt over the years is that City finish seasons strongly. Which suggests to me we didn't lose the title through lack of quality but rather a lack of focus, mid season.

The reality is Mourinho will always have the edge in that department and not just over MP. Bring in Carlo and the same thing is true. Klopp is different and the question with him is how much change would he introduce next season.

I want to win the league next year above all else. And there is an argument that we may not have the best manager but if we had a significantly better team like we did last year we can pip Chelsea. This is where Txiki's job comes into play. If we bought Robben and Pogba and Wilshere, kept Yaya and Milner we may well be good enough.

The Pep thing? Who knows. This time next year his reputation could be in tatters and then we will have people on here screaming at Txiki not to sign him. Wins the CL and suddenly he fancies taking on another megalithic club but not us. Too much stuff in the air to be certain about this.

I have a feeling if he has a better season than last Frank de Boer might end up here.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Let me try to answer your question.

It comes down to one side who has an unshakable belief that our management has everything under control and that an agreement between two men, two friends even, is binding.

On the other side, some people feel that nothing is guaranteed unless it is contractually binding.

Nothing more than that, as far as I can see. The rest is just noise and silly point scoring from both sides.

For me, I have been around people and business a long time, and I am a strong believer that a year is a long time, and if something unexpected can happen, it will. In the greater scheme of things, though, I don't care much who the manager is. I am more concerned with having the right players.

We were fined £6m, not £50m. And it wasn't a fine, it was a reduction in Champions League revenue and even then we were allowed to count it on the balance sheet like we did recieve it so it made no difference at all.

We failed FFP because UEFA moved the goalposts at the last minute after our accounts had been run a certain way, because they needed us and PSG to fail politically.

You have no idea who we have and haven't approached.

Txiki WILL 1000000% know what Pep's intentions are.

And again, you have no idea if we have a Plan B. I'm almost certain as a professionally ran organisation then we'll have a Plan B, C, D, E and F.

People are rightly suggesting that he is seen within football as the best Director of Football in the world. To give you an analogy from the playing terms, he is seen as better as a Director of Football than Sergio Aguero is as a striker. You're criticising somebody who is seen as the absolute inarguable best in the world, you're slagging off Lionel Messi

1 The money withheld was 20 million euros which was the first part of the 60 million euro "fine". The rest was suspended.
I'm sure if the 20 million euros lost was your money then Sheikh Mansour would also feel that "it made no difference at all."

2 You also have no idea what Pep has told Txiki his intentions are. You state things as fact yet mock others for speculating.

3 Txiki was sacked by Barcelona after he made a series of fairly terrible deals. He is not the Lionel Messi of DoFs you are being silly.
Ferran, who lost his role after the presidential elections, probably is the best football CEO around. Txiki's reputation is not as high
as Ferran's within the game. Within the Ferran, Txiki, Pep "team" Txiki is arguably the weakest link.

Our failure to meet FFP is more contentious. The club certainly reckon that they were screwed by UEFA.
Some of the related party off charges however looked dodgy and looked like a last minute attempt to balance the books
after Mancini and his coaches had been sacked.

What does any of this have to do with Pep coming to City?

Genuine question btw. None of it relates even remotely as far as I can tell to the actual fact that Pep and Txiki are close enough friends that if he has given an assurance that he's coming to City, we can rest assured he's coming.

Some of the way in which you and others are spinning things to criticise the club seem like an overreaching attempt to prove a point which isn't actually there. We are by my estimation, the best run football club in the PL by a country mile. I'm sure we could take a magnifying glass to any operation the size of MCFC and pick and pull at little things that we think weren't handled exactly as they should be, but overall the churlish nature of some of the critiques seem as i say, like overreaching for the sake of it.

 

[Damocles]

Why stay at Bayern for another season ?

Because he told Bayern he'd be there for three years unless they sacked him

They wont sack him, Pep will have to leave and cite to his employees that an opportunity has arisen that he cant turn down, what is wrong with that? If he's that fucking vain about his reputation then is he really the man for the job?

Since when did reputations count for anything in football management ?

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

Nah mate, we should ignore the two time Champions League winning, former World Coach of the Year because he's too honest. Much better to bring in a complete liar. That will help our squad develop.

 

[bondsman]

Because he told Bayern he'd be there for three years unless they sacked him

They wont sack him, Pep will have to leave and cite to his employees that an opportunity has arisen that he cant turn down, what is wrong with that? If he's that fucking vain about his reputation then is he really the man for the job?

Since when did reputations count for anything in football management ?

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha.

Nah mate, we should ignore the two time Champions League winning, former World Coach of the Year because he's too honest. Much better to bring in a complete liar. That will help our squad develop.

Where did he request pep lies? In reality saying he wants to come to city if he does is being honest.

 

[Damocles]

Let me try to answer your question.

It comes down to one side who has an unshakable belief that our management has everything under control and that an agreement between two men, two friends even, is binding.

On the other side, some people feel that nothing is guaranteed unless it is contractually binding.

Nothing more than that, as far as I can see. The rest is just noise and silly point scoring from both sides.

For me, I have been around people and business a long time, and I am a strong believer that a year is a long time, and if something unexpected can happen, it will. In the greater scheme of things, though, I don't care much who the manager is. I am more concerned with having the right players.

Funny because I've been around business a bit too, as has Billy, Dave and a bunch of other people and we all understand that the absolute key is to do what you say you're going to do. People who arbitrarily change their mind after making a firm commitment don't last 5 minutes at the sort of level that European football operates at. Being untrustworthy is literally the worst possible trait that any football manager can hold from a business perspective when you're in a situation surrounded by NDAs and a super-competitive environment where strategy information is worth millions of pounds.

If Pep has told Txiki he's coming next year then he's already our manager. If he has given him a wait and see then Txiki will have other irons in the fire. If he has said no then nobody is planning for him. But Txiki and thus Soriano, Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour will know either way.

Do you think us lot sat around here have thought of these things but the highly paid highly professional executives haven't?

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Let me try to answer your question.

It comes down to one side who has an unshakable belief that our management has everything under control and that an agreement between two men, two friends even, is binding.

On the other side, some people feel that nothing is guaranteed unless it is contractually binding.

Nothing more than that, as far as I can see. The rest is just noise and silly point scoring from both sides.

For me, I have been around people and business a long time, and I am a strong believer that a year is a long time, and if something unexpected can happen, it will. In the greater scheme of things, though, I don't care much who the manager is. I am more concerned with having the right players.

LOL. You've actually summed it up very well mate.

As you and an earlier poster have said getting the right players in is more key to being successful next season than whoever the manager is.