Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2014/15 (continued)

[BillyShears]

What if Plan B is see you at City next season but Plan A is see you at Barcelona if the elections go well and bugger City?

You still haven't answered that.

Soriano, Begiristain, and Pep have already rejected returns to Barcelona, even if Laporta wins the next election. This has been widely reported in the Catalan press in the last six months. It's about as likely as Cook and Mancini returning to City.

Again, you just sound like someone who has a very low opinion of everyone from Khaldoon downwards. Don't take this wrong, but I'd back our people to the end. I think our club is run better than any other PL club. I think we have the best DoF in the league, the best CEO, the best Chairman, the best board of directors. I have more faith in them and more respect for them based on what they've delivered so far, to not spend the next year belly aching about what a terrible decision it is to keep a manager who won the league 12 months ago, to ensure we land the best successor possible in 12 months time.

 

[BillyShears]

So lets get this right then, your happy with the tail wagging the dog?


As your such a fucking fan of Txiki and his integrity, was it okay in your eyes then for Txiki interview Pellegrini for the job in a Spanish restaurant whilst Mancini was still the manager?

Txiki had lunch with Pellegrini's agent (also Vidals agent or Sanchez's not sure), not with Pellegrini. Was that okay? No, it wasn't just okay, it was spot on. You line up replacements before sacking a manager, not after. That's what professional clubs do anyway.

 

[80s Shorts]

It's because I find it such a ludicrous opinion that didn't feel that acknowledging it with an answer was necessary.

LOL.

I guess you didn't feel like posting the reasons why your mate Txiki didn't sack Pellegrini yesterday for not picking any youth
players on Sunday was necessary either?

You did after all deem it a sackable offence.

Now that was a ludicrous opinion.

He also said that Pellegrini "does not have the best interests of City at heart". Another ludicrous comment whether you like Pellegrini or not.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

The idea that he is secretly sat there with Soriano twirling non-existent moustaches in an attempt to break City from the inside is hilarious.

Who has suggested that? Certainly not me so don't imply that I have just so it fits your narrative.

Soriano as I've posted a few pages back is probably the best CEO in world football.

Txiki's record is more mixed.

Both will do their best for the club while they are here.

To suggest Pep (and potentially Soriano and Txiki) won't return to Barcelona as a certainty after the presidential election is naïve.

Pep's name has already been mentioned by one of the lesser candidates for the job and would certainly feature if Laporta stands.
Latest opinion polls suggest Laporta will win if he throws his hat into the ring.

 

[Damocles]

It's because I find it such a ludicrous opinion that didn't feel that acknowledging it with an answer was necessary.

LOL.

I guess you didn't feel like posting the reasons why your mate Txiki didn't sack Pellegrini yesterday for not picking any youth
players on Sunday was necessary either?

You did after all deem it a sackable offence.

Now that was a ludicrous opinion.

He also said that Pellegrini "does not have the best interests of City at heart". Another ludicrous comment whether you like Pellegrini or not.

He doesn't. The best interests of Manchester City over the long term is to introduce youth players into the first team whenever and wherever possible. Pellegrini actively refused to do so because he didn't want to have to rely on them. This is him looking out for the results rather than the long term future.

 

[Damocles]

The idea that he is secretly sat there with Soriano twirling non-existent moustaches in an attempt to break City from the inside is hilarious.

Who has suggested that? Certainly not me so don't imply that I have just so it fits your narrative.

Soriano as I've posted a few pages back is probably the best CEO in world football.

Txiki's record is more mixed.

Both will do their best for the club while they are here.

To suggest Pep (and potentially Soriano and Txiki) won't return to Barcelona as a certainty after the presidential election is naïve.

Pep's name has already been mentioned by one of the lesser candidates for the job and would certainly feature if Laporta stands.
Latest opinion polls suggest Laporta will win if he throws his hat into the ring.

It's hilarious.

I can't even see the logic here - so they are Barca fans thus must always want to be at Barca no matter what?

Despite that fact that two of them aren't Barca fans but yeah

 

[halfcenturyup]

Let me try to answer your question.

It comes down to one side who has an unshakable belief that our management has everything under control and that an agreement between two men, two friends even, is binding.

On the other side, some people feel that nothing is guaranteed unless it is contractually binding.

Nothing more than that, as far as I can see. The rest is just noise and silly point scoring from both sides.

For me, I have been around people and business a long time, and I am a strong believer that a year is a long time, and if something unexpected can happen, it will. In the greater scheme of things, though, I don't care much who the manager is. I am more concerned with having the right players.

Funny because I've been around business a bit too, as has Billy, Dave and a bunch of other people and we all understand that the absolute key is to do what you say you're going to do. People who arbitrarily change their mind after making a firm commitment don't last 5 minutes at the sort of level that European football operates at. Being untrustworthy is literally the worst possible trait that any football manager can hold from a business perspective when you're in a situation surrounded by NDAs and a super-competitive environment where strategy information is worth millions of pounds.

If Pep has told Txiki he's coming next year then he's already our manager. If he has given him a wait and see then Txiki will have other irons in the fire. If he has said no then nobody is planning for him. But Txiki and thus Soriano, Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour will know either way.

Do you think us lot sat around here have thought of these things but the highly paid highly professional executives haven't?

No, obviously, I think they have worked out all the possibilities and have chosen the one that they think gives the most value. That's what the owner employs them for. Hopefully it will work. Doesn't mean for one minute it is guaranteed to, though.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The idea that he is secretly sat there with Soriano twirling non-existent moustaches in an attempt to break City from the inside is hilarious.

Who has suggested that? Certainly not me so don't imply that I have just so it fits your narrative.

Soriano as I've posted a few pages back is probably the best CEO in world football.

Txiki's record is more mixed.

Both will do their best for the club while they are here.

To suggest Pep (and potentially Soriano and Txiki) won't return to Barcelona as a certainty after the presidential election is naïve.

Pep's name has already been mentioned by one of the lesser candidates for the job and would certainly feature if Laporta stands.
Latest opinion polls suggest Laporta will win if he throws his hat into the ring.

You seem to think we are going to be like when Franny Lee kept getting publicly turned down by the likes of Bassett and Graham.

One thing is for sure. This entire "waiting for Pep" debate (if you can call it that) is an utter waste of time because the complexities of any dialogue and succession planning will be a hundred times more complex than the perception of most posters on this thread. As Billy says, all parties will have a plan A, B, C, D and E and none of us on here are close to knowing what they really are. I have great faith in the club's top brass and I'm really relaxed about it because I think we are a very healthy club with or without Pellegrini as manager.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Again, you just sound like someone who has a very low opinion of everyone from Khaldoon downwards. .

What is it with you guys? Where have I ever knocked Khaldoon?

What a meaningless comment "you just sound like" is. "You just sound like" and then I'll write a load of bollocks about you.

As for comments made to the press, FFS , Pellegrini denied he was joining City the week before he joined.

 

[BillyShears]

Again, you just sound like someone who has a very low opinion of everyone from Khaldoon downwards. .

What is it with you guys? Where have I ever knocked Khaldoon?

What a meaningless comment "you just sound like" is. "You just sound like" and then I'll write a load of bollocks about you.

As for comments made to the press, FFS , Pellegrini denied he was joining City the week before he joined.

Having read your posts over the last few weeks you sound like someone with a very low opinion of the people who run our club. In many respects you seem to talk about Ferran and Txiki as if they aren't in fact the very people charged with running the club, but some sort of part time interlopers who are here to do the worst job they possibly can.

The fact that you're now resorting to this sort of nonsense just about sums up the lack of actual rational arguments you are presenting. You've ignored the salient point about Txiki/Ferran returning to Barca because obviously you had no clue that both men have recently rejected returns to Barca, and instead chosen to focus on a tiny part of what I posted.