Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2014/15)

[kaz7]

Cheap seats. Jesus.

Standard insult from them two

 

[BillyShears]

It's also worth adding with Txiki that his signings in the first year won us the league, Fernandinho, Negredo, Navas and Demichelis all helped win us the league. Even last summer, Mangala, despite his price tag obviously has bags of class. Sagna was a shrewd signing on a free, and Lampard was too. Caballero to an extent was great as he helped Hart to raise his game too.

This summer if we landed Sterling, De Bruyne etc we'd owe him a lot. People don't realise it isn't like the Gary Cook era when we can just throw a huge amount of money and obscene wages to attract players, we are now operating under FFP, like last summer with our £49m net spend, so each acquisition has to be smart.

I'm more than confident Txiki will get us there, you don't come with the reputation he has for being bad at his job, and the sooner people realise that signing a player is a delicate task the better.

I definitely think it's strange how the summer of 2013's business is characterised as poor by those people who are over critical of Txiki. Fernandinho, Negredo, Navas, and Demichelis all played huge parts in winning the title and the cup that season. I think if anything what it showed was how poorly prepared we were in the summer of 2012 because ostensibly we had very similar spending restrictions in 2013 to those in 2012, it's just the outcome in terms of the quality we brought in that was different. Oh and of course the moving out of unwanted players.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Standard insult from them two

Look it up before getting all offended. I'll use "Peanut Gallery" in future if you don't understand the origins of the phrase.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If his tenure goes on forever then I'd hazard a guess he's doing a good job.

People can 'judge' whenever they want as it's the nature of forums. But ultimately the people passing comment probably have too limited an understanding of his various responsibilities to have any meaningful opinions on the subject. Bit like those who make lists of players signed since he came in then make little notes next to them like "failure" or "not as good as Javi Garcia".

Haha! Yes I'd realised I had served the length of tenure up. I'm not against Txiki and he can across well when I met him briefly on the plane back from Barca.

My point is more in a job where you have many contacts then you expect some quicker wins. Yes the likes of Demi, Negredo and Fernandinho helped us win the league so there are some shorter term positives and hopefully the real success story will be long term.

I am not interested in the long lists. After all, Txiki and Pellers took credit for improving Edin as a player, only for Dzeko to be poor for much of last season (admittedly affected by having to play whilst injured at times).

 

[BillyShears]

Haha! Yes I'd realised I had served the length of tenure up. I'm not against Txiki and he can across well when I met him briefly on the plane back from Barca.

My point is more in a job where you have many contacts then you expect some quicker wins. Yes the likes of Demi, Negredo and Fernandinho helped us win the league so there are some shorter term positives and hopefully the real success story will be long term.

I am not interested in the long lists. After all, Txiki and Pellers took credit for improving Edin as a player, only for Dzeko to be poor for much of last season (admittedly affected by having to play whilst injured at times).

Isn't that sort of the point though. You can't judge the long term yet and in the short term the business Txiki has done has for the most part been excellent. Even Mangala, someone who has been pretty heavily criticised, is so young that he could next season still be a beast for us.

The one genuinely poor signing taking into account everything I'd say was Jovetic - but again it was a risk worth taking. I wouldn't even class Fernando as a poor signing simply because he cost next to fuck all and isn't half as bad as people make out even if he isn't a top player.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Isn't that sort of the point though. You can't judge the long term yet and in the short term the business Txiki has done has for the most part been excellent. Even Mangala, someone who has been pretty heavily criticised, is so young that he could next season still be a beast for us.

The one genuinely poor signing taking into account everything I'd say was Jovetic - but again it was a risk worth taking. I wouldn't even class Fernando as a poor signing simply because he cost next to fuck all and isn't half as bad as people make out even if he isn't a top player.

I agree that Mangala has been pretty good. Most of his performance were in the 7 out of 10 bracket with Chelsea at home a 8 or 9. The media overreacted to one poor game at Hull and Elia and Clichy were let down at West Ham by the the refs assistant ignoring the Hammers being offside.

Yes Fernando is better than the criticism he has received but he hasn't been any better than Garcia so far. He may well come good next year and the balance of our team needs one of our central midfielders to be powerful in the air.

 

[BillyShears]

I agree that Mangala has been pretty good. Most of his performance were in the 7 out of 10 bracket with Chelsea at home a 8 or 9. The media overreacted to one poor game at Hull and Elia and Clichy were let down at West Ham by the the refs assistant ignoring the Hammers being offside.

Yes Fernando is better than the criticism he has received but he hasn't been any better than Garcia so far. He may well come good next year and the balance of our team needs one of our central midfielders to be powerful in the air.

Garcia was universally derided in his first season in the PL, much like Fernando has been. There's a clue in there as to why we shouldn't be judging players after 1 season in the league and also why we shouldn't be judging our DoF over a short space of time.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Garcia was universally derided in his first season in the PL, much like Fernando has been. There's a clue in there as to why we shouldn't be judging players after 1 season in the league and also why we shouldn't be judging our DoF over a short space of time.

Like your earlier post, if Txiki is here for donkies then it should reflect a successful tenure.

All that said, Txiki and co know this transfer window is very important and the Club expect to make significant progress. Txiki and Ferran have said as much themselves.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Cheap seats. Jesus.

Made me chuckle too. It's always the insecure Katie Hopkins types that use that phrase. Naively attempting to make their point carry weight by trying to patronising those less fortunate than themselves. No substance, just bile. Sad indictment of the Social Media age I'm afraid.

I've got a good feeling about this summer, I think Txiki's going to prove his worth and bring in all 3 front line targets.

 

[VOOMER]

Isn't that sort of the point though. You can't judge the long term yet and in the short term the business Txiki has done has for the most part been excellent. Even Mangala, someone who has been pretty heavily criticised, is so young that he could next season still be a beast for us.

The one genuinely poor signing taking into account everything I'd say was Jovetic - but again it was a risk worth taking. I wouldn't even class Fernando as a poor signing simply because he cost next to fuck all and isn't half as bad as people make out even if he isn't a top player.

His business has been rank awful, FFP being his only excuse.
Fernandinho good player but already 30
the beast one season and gone
Jovetic total failure
Navas has been value for money
Fernando not good enough
Mangala I agree there's something there
Demichellis great buy who we could have got on a free.
Willy boy a complete waste of money.
Bony doesn't suite us.

Txiki needs a momentous window, correction WE need a momentous window.