Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2014/15)

[Bruun]

Begiristain and Soriano can both go IMO. Too may bad signings have been presided over and Soriano is responsible for us "failing" so-called FFP, for Begiristain and for his shorttermist views on managers in that he doesn't see one being around for 10 years if he's continually successful why not?. Then get in Ancelotti if not available, Klopp, if not him then Vieira. I know Pat is not experienced but he is doing very well.

Considering Soriano and his business knowledge i'd not even consider letting him go, he's doing his job to an A+, i'd like to see people with knowledge actually give some names to replace Begiristain and Soriano, and at the same time explain why and how the replacement could and can do a better job.

On what do you base your "A+" rating for Soriano?

The business deals he made, the clubs exposure and the background marketing stuff in general, his actual role, what do people expect from him?

He made Manchester City the fastest growing football brand, ever.

If we indeed do break even this season, then he's sure doing a hell of a job in my opinion.

 

[TFC]

Considering Soriano and his business knowledge i'd not even consider letting him go, he's doing his job to an A+, i'd like to see people with knowledge actually give some names to replace Begiristain and Soriano, and at the same time explain why and how the replacement could and can do a better job.

On what do you base your "A+" rating for Soriano?

The business deals he made, the clubs exposure and the background marketing stuff in general, his actual role, what do people expect from him?

He made Manchester City the fastest growing football brand, ever.

If we indeed do break even this season, then he's sure doing a hell of a job in my opinion.

I dont think anyone can make Ferran the villain of the piece here, like you say he has made CFG one of the fastest growing football brands in history. Everything off the pitch is being done to ensure City are one of the worlds top footballing powers for decades to come, unfortunately its on the park where we are struggling miserably and for that, you have to look in the direction of MP and TB and of course our fat and happy players.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Considering Soriano and his business knowledge i'd not even consider letting him go, he's doing his job to an A+, i'd like to see people with knowledge actually give some names to replace Begiristain and Soriano, and at the same time explain why and how the replacement could and can do a better job.

On what do you base your "A+" rating for Soriano?

The business deals he made, the clubs exposure and the background marketing stuff in general, his actual role, what do people expect from him?

He made Manchester City the fastest growing football brand, ever.

If we indeed do break even this season, then he's sure doing a hell of a job in my opinion.

+1

 

[Zabbasbeard]

Considering Soriano and his business knowledge i'd not even consider letting him go, he's doing his job to an A+, i'd like to see people with knowledge actually give some names to replace Begiristain and Soriano, and at the same time explain why and how the replacement could and can do a better job.

On what do you base your "A+" rating for Soriano?

The business deals he made, the clubs exposure and the background marketing stuff in general, his actual role, what do people expect from him?

He made Manchester City the fastest growing football brand, ever.

If we indeed do break even this season, then he's sure doing a hell of a job in my opinion.

Ok, a difference of opinion which is not a problem. The football side, the core business, has seen a lot of money mis-spent. I expect him to be appointing someone who can spend that many more wisely, how much scrutiny is done of Begiristain's work? I also expect a CEO who is more open-minded than to suggest that the City head coaches/managers would only operate in finite cycles.
In my view City would have grown quickly with most CEO's given a successful, up and coming team.

If we break even, if...Hopefully we will, but I don't share your faith in Soriano.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Khaldoon in conversation with the sheikh and based on the advice of Trixi and Ferran (and others ) is responsible for hiring the manager and will be responsible for firing the manager.

I reckon Trixi's role is a long term role and wouldn't be firing now.

My issue is that we are not holistic. We sign players and then play them out of position , don't give them a proper run in a consistent team and don't back them. We had mangala and mdm starting to play well in defence and vinnie got back in without earning it. Yaya and Fernando have been played terribly by Pellegrini who hasn't used either to their capabilities. We sign players to play out of position or in the wrong way and we don't really back them which to me is totally non holistic and reflects the fact khaldoon needs to knock the various senior guys into line.

 

[Zabbasbeard]

Khaldoon in conversation with the sheikh and based on the advice of Trixi and Ferran (and others ) is responsible for hiring the manager and will be responsible for firing the manager.

I reckon Trixi's role is a long term role and wouldn't be firing now.

My issue is that we are not holistic. We sign players and then play them out of position , don't give them a proper run in a consistent team and don't back them. We had mangala and mdm starting to play well in defence and vinnie got back in without earning it. Yaya and Fernando have been played terribly by Pellegrini who hasn't used either to their capabilities. We sign players to play out of position or in the wrong way and we don't really back them which to me is totally non holistic and reflects the fact khaldoon needs to knock the various senior guys into line.

I suspect Soriano and Txiki's role is long term, but will Khaldoon and the Sheikh tolerate much more profligate spending without success?

I agree re holistic. Pellegrini's ethos of a 442 with so many square pegs in round holes is very much contradictory to that. Also nonholistic is the lack of young players being given their chance. Pozo has disappeared after a couple of games. Why is he still not on the bench. Lopes has done very well at Lille could he have been of use to us this season? It will be interesting what happens next with him.

 

[Ray78]

Khaldoon and the Sheikh don't think like us supporters and probably base success not solely down to trophies. Two League titles, One FA Cup, One Capital One Cup is not a bad starting point and they may not be that concerned on that front. The next point is Champions League success and that isn't going to come overnight.

 

[bluefn]

Soriano is responsible for the non footballing side, Txiki to work alongside Manuel. With Khaldoon, I would assume that's a well oiled team. Bobby was fucked off for not conforming to this.

The problem is Txiki and Ferran come as a pair. Where we are at, in this moment, is neither here nor there. What I mean by that is we are right in the middle ground of where this club is going. If your going to sack one its Txiki because on the pitch we are fucking dreadful. But we do that at our peril because Ferran goes and the whole thing falls down.

I actually believe Soriano is doing a top quality job. The infrastructure has been laid by him, and if you want someone to drive a business then he's your man.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Soriano is the CEO, he is responsible for everything, especially the performance of the people who report directly to him, like Begiristain I would imagine.

Soriano is responsible for the non footballing side, Txiki to work alongside Manuel. With Khaldoon, I would assume that's a well oiled team. Bobby was fucked off for not conforming to this.

The problem is Txiki and Ferran come as a pair. Where we are at, in this moment, is neither here nor there. What I mean by that is we are right in the middle ground of where this club is going. If your going to sack one its Txiki because on the pitch we are fucking dreadful. But we do that at our peril because Ferran goes and the whole thing falls down.

I actually believe Soriano is doing a top quality job. The infrastructure has been laid by him, and if you want someone to drive a business then he's your man.

 

[Keeper!]

I agree Soriano has done a splendid job for the CFG, but is it at the cost of MCFC.?

Millions have been wasted on average players. Soriano has signed the cheques, has he been too distracted by his work with CFG?

I just wish Khaldon would come back and take an active role day to day. He for sure would kick some ass and make a enormous diffrence.