Discussion: Txiki Begiristain (2015/16)

[Shaelumstash]

The Delph news has took Txiki from a B- towards C+ territory, but he's still got plenty of time to turn it around. I've still got faith he can deliver all 3 of our main targets, so not too worried about this.

Txiki clearly has done a lot of good at the club, and did an awful lot more at Barca. But today had me thinking about a point that Sorriano made in his book. Different circumstances require different types of negotiation / management. In 2008 onwards we needed someone who was capable of selling a dream and making people believe in the impossible and willing to take a chance. Garry Cook was outstanding at that. At Barca, they needed a tough negotiator who would demand players forced through moves in order to join one of the most prestigious clubs in the world. Someone who could stare eye to eye with the negotiators of the biggest clubs and see who blinked first. Txiki was great at that.

Txiki seems to be trying the same negotiating style on our 3 big targets, only I'm not sure if that tactic is necessarily the right approach yet for City? Are players as desperate to play for us as they are for Barcelona?

With Delph, maybe Txiki saw him as a squad player, and treated him as such in the negotiations? He maybe thought Delph should be grateful of the opportunity? Perhaps being made to feel more loved and valued would have been a better approach, especially given that he has just had a baby? We'll probably never know, I'm just posing the question.

Before the usual rabble come with their pitch forks and burning lanterns screaming "Rag" or "witch" i'm just posing a question, not saying it's what's happened. Different management / negotiating styles for different circumstances, Sorriano's own concept.

 

[robbieh]

We have some right Fucking wankers on here we really Fucking do.

As usual so full of wisdom.

 

[blueinsa]

As usual so full of wisdom.

I know.

I just get annoyed when the same few posters pitch up to almost celebrate a bit of bad news and stick the usual knives in the usual places.

I knew you'd be along!

 

[waspish]

Better attitude than mine lol, but dunno ignoring rivals strengthening is a mistake and sort of what we did in 2013, " We've got the spine." we thought. To be the best you have to keep improving and can't expect to win anything if you don't. But there is plenty of time left as many people said, and if by the first game we have de bruyne and sterling then all is well

I don't like the KUNT but that's how Mourinho looks at winning league titles last season he spouted that city will have to get 90+points to win the league because he knows how many points his team will get in the end they didn't need 90+ points

 

[City Raider]

Big couple of weeks for him. Hope he delivers.

 

[BobKowalski]

The Delph news has took Txiki from a B- towards C+ territory, but he's still got plenty of time to turn it around. I've still got faith he can deliver all 3 of our main targets, so not too worried about this.

Txiki clearly has done a lot of good at the club, and did an awful lot more at Barca. But today had me thinking about a point that Sorriano made in his book. Different circumstances require different types of negotiation / management. In 2008 onwards we needed someone who was capable of selling a dream and making people believe in the impossible and willing to take a chance. Garry Cook was outstanding at that. At Barca, they needed a tough negotiator who would demand players forced through moves in order to join one of the most prestigious clubs in the world. Someone who could stare eye to eye with the negotiators of the biggest clubs and see who blinked first. Txiki was great at that.

Txiki seems to be trying the same negotiating style on our 3 big targets, only I'm not sure if that tactic is necessarily the right approach yet for City? Are players as desperate to play for us as they are for Barcelona?

With Delph, maybe Txiki saw him as a squad player, and treated him as such in the negotiations? He maybe thought Delph should be grateful of the opportunity? Perhaps being made to feel more loved and valued would have been a better approach, especially given that he has just had a baby? We'll probably never know, I'm just posing the question.

Before the usual rabble come with their pitch forks and burning lanterns screaming "Rag" or "witch" i'm just posing a question, not saying it's what's happened. Different management / negotiating styles for different circumstances, Sorriano's own concept.

Perhaps. But then to be a 'big club' you have to act like one. Perception is King and all that. Maybe Txiki could have shown Delph more love but then do we want a player who needs so much love. Delph either backs himself to win a starting place or he doesn't. And if he doesn't there is really no point in signing him. All we can do offer players the stage. It's down to them whether to strut upon it or not.

 

[robbieh]

The Delph news has took Txiki from a B- towards C+ territory, but he's still got plenty of time to turn it around. I've still got faith he can deliver all 3 of our main targets, so not too worried about this.

Txiki clearly has done a lot of good at the club, and did an awful lot more at Barca. But today had me thinking about a point that Sorriano made in his book. Different circumstances require different types of negotiation / management. In 2008 onwards we needed someone who was capable of selling a dream and making people believe in the impossible and willing to take a chance. Garry Cook was outstanding at that. At Barca, they needed a tough negotiator who would demand players forced through moves in order to join one of the most prestigious clubs in the world. Someone who could stare eye to eye with the negotiators of the biggest clubs and see who blinked first. Txiki was great at that.

Txiki seems to be trying the same negotiating style on our 3 big targets, only I'm not sure if that tactic is necessarily the right approach yet for City? Are players as desperate to play for us as they are for Barcelona?

With Delph, maybe Txiki saw him as a squad player, and treated him as such in the negotiations? He maybe thought Delph should be grateful of the opportunity? Perhaps being made to feel more loved and valued would have been a better approach, especially given that he has just had a baby? We'll probably never know, I'm just posing the question.

Before the usual rabble come with their pitch forks and burning lanterns screaming "Rag" or "witch" i'm just posing a question, not saying it's what's happened. Different management / negotiating styles for different circumstances, Sorriano's own concept.

Interesting take on what is unfolding. Personally have always felt selling Barca to Ronaldinho was not as difficult as all that, despite the fact the club had been struggling for a few years. Subsequently there were as many poor purchases as inspired ones. As DoF making Rijkaard manager and later Guardiola, and bringing the Masia' graduates onto centre stage were things he could take much credit for. Transfers though nothing special. Which is more of a worry for us.

Selling Barca to a player is presumably quite similar to Liverpool. Lots of talk about history and in Barca's case Catalunian pride. City is more about the future despite our pretty decent history. None of the players we are after our either Spanish or South American so the Real, Barca thing is not so strong. What Txiki has to do is convince Pogba, Sterling and de Bruyne that the next 10 years are years that will belong to Manchester City and that they are integral to that.

 

[blueloon]

Delph is his own person, seriously, what could have Txiki done to change the lads mind? Sometimes you get your man, sometimes you don't. Get a grip, some blues need to get things in perspective, we have never had it so good. Has Txiki really got anything to prove? For me, he is here for the long term, we need to get behind him and everyone else involved in developing the profile of the club. I still believe we are going to see further big names come this summer. Keep the faith.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Perhaps. But then to be a 'big club' you have to act like one. Perception is King and all that. Maybe Txiki could have shown Delph more love but then do we want a player who needs so much love. Delph either backs himself to win a starting place or he doesn't. And if he doesn't there is really no point in signing him. All we can do offer players the stage. It's down to them whether to strut upon it or not.

Yeh good points mate, I get where you're coming from. However do you think the "Take it or leave it" approach would have worked when we signed Yaya? Or Tevez, or Silva, or Aguero? Without question they're the 4 best players we've signed since the takeover, all of them were bought on Garry Cook's watch, and I don't think his approach was "Take it or leave it".

Since 2011, we have not signed a world class talent. There are numerous reasons for that, but it is a matter of fact. In the first 3 years after the take over we signed 4 world class players. In the last 3 we've signed none. We've taken a different negotiating approach in the last 3 years. Maybe the two things are unrelated. Maybe they're not.

Txiki has got 7 or 8 weeks to conclude the deals to kick start the next phase of this City team. I've got faith he can deliver. I just hope City fans are brave enough to judge him on his performance and not on his reputation.

 

[DTKOAG]

But i took last week off on the basis of getting new signing's..
:-)