Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[SebastianBlue]

Hahahahahaha, you leave Harry out of this mate he's done nothing wrong for at least 3 years ;)

Speaking of grifters, I am sure William and Harry attended some of Brand’s private workshops.

 

[paulchapo]

To be fair, I responded to your post in it’s entirety, referencing every element, respectfully.

I don’t think you responded, though, I may have missed it.

I'll have a look. Late night I'm still bloody tired and catching up.

 

[mexico1970]

Genuine question: was Jimmy Saville just a not very nice person who used his television persona and regular access to sexually abuse lots of children?

There should be a LOT more emphasis on the mechanisms that allowed Brand (IF true) to order schoolgirls like pizzas, the lessons learned mob are still probably in a job after the Savile debacle.

Someone somewhere phoned a taxi to pick a girl up from a school to have her delivered to him, and nobody wants to know what the mechanism is that allowed that?

 

[mexico1970]

Speaking of grifters, I am sure William and Harry attended some of Brand’s private workshops.

I reckon it really does go THAT deep, lessons learned and all that ehh?

 

[SebastianBlue]

There should be a LOT more emphasis on the mechanisms that allowed Brand (IF true) to order schoolgirls like pizzas, the lessons learned mob are still probably in a job after the Savile debacle.

Someone somewhere phoned a taxi to pick a girl up from a school to have her delivered to him, and nobody wants to know what the mechanism is that allowed that?

I think most people want to know the mechanism that allowed that.

I certainly do.

And, up till now, the justice system wasn’t getting us closer to that information, or stopping it from happening, despite it apparently being a known thing happening across the entertainment industry (and even, in certain cases, law enforcement).

 

[west didsblue]

Whether he’s guilty of rape or not, the fact that he entered into a relationship with a child when in his 30s makes him a nonce as far as I’m concerned. The fact that the child had turned 16 only makes him a legalised nonce, but a nonce nonetheless. I also strongly suspect he’s guilty of all the accusations made against him by the 5 women so far based on what I’ve seen, and I hope that a court gets to see the evidence and make a legal judgment.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I reckon it really does go THAT deep, lessons learned and all that ehh?

I don’t think it is at all a conspiracy theory to assert that the royal family, including two sons that have had absolutely horrific upbringings from a psychological perspective, have their fair share of skeletons in the closet.

Prince Andrew alone will have a Natural History Museum wing.

 

[paulchapo]

Genuine question: was Jimmy Saville just a not very nice person who used his television persona and regular access to sexually abuse lots of children?

On the contrary, the vast majority of this country thought Saville was a saint. He did lots for charity blah blah blah, Jim will fix it, TOTP they loved and couldn't get enough of the fucker. He was even knighted. Personally I always thought he was a wrong un and a not very nice ****. Seems I was right but lots loved him and were taken in by him.

As for your question of course he used his fame to abuse anybody he could. Lots of famous people do, the Epstein island regular visitors need a look.

 

[mexico1970]

I don’t think it is at all a conspiracy theory to assert that the royal family, including two sons that have had absolutely horrific upbringings from a psychological perspective, have their fair share of skeletons in the closet.

Prince Andrew alone will have a Natural History Museum wing.

We need to look at the seemingly effortless way that conditions can be in place where famous people or people heading or at the top of companies and establishments can procure satisfaction by victimising other people.

We've also got to try to understand why so many people are employed in these organisations who genuinely look the other way until the shit hits the fan and they suddenly do an Esther.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think there’s a wider and worthwhile debate around the impact that has had on Brand, especially in terms of his right to earn a living, without any legal proceedings yet being commenced.

I’m not suggesting it’s a straightforward issue, but I am uneasy that his income has been cut off in the way it has, and ministers are publicly commenting on this, based, as we currently are, simply on a TV programme and a newspaper story. That doesn’t sit right with me.

Whilst I don’t seek to undermine this documentary or necessarily challenge its veracity (or merit) that’s all we have at the moment. We are heading down a very dangerous path where that alone is sufficient to impact on someone’s life in this way, in the absence of anything else (as is currently the case).

Whilst I dislike Brand for lots of reasons, this isn’t just about him, and I am uncomfortable more generally about the power of the media to influence public opinion in a way that appears to be wholly unchecked, and extremely dangerous for us all.