Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

[Bill Walker]

If only people had paid attention there, it was obvious he was a wrong-un.

Asking Vanessa Feltz for a shag?

He's not been right in the head for a longtime.

"In Plain Sight"

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Again, the only thing that has ever changed culture or governance has been social justice—most often “harnessing a crowd or moment”— the informal justice system based on collective action. It has existed for thousands of years before social media. Culture and governance doesn’t just change spontaneously, independent of people.

And social media itself is just another communication tool in a long line of them, all of which were called fundamentally destructive to society by some group or another (usually whichever one whose power was being threatened by their use by the common people), before eventually being co-opted by those same entities to try to remain in power. All were misused and abused by many entities. But they were all also used by the masses to both check the power of elite and increase the power of the non-elite (in cycles).

So am I not sure why people keep saying social justice itself is always destructive or that social justice on the web is simply self-gratifying and self-aggrandising. It absolutely can be. But it is not always that. Especially when it is the sole means of affecting change for so many people living in totalitarian regimes that control nearly all other means of public discourse and information sharing (public physical spaces, state-controlled media, state-monitored and censored speech, etc.).

Ironically, education has been and will continue to be a major driver of social justice in society, and the experience you describe contributes to the good work of social justice movements (some you have contributed to, perhaps unwittingly). We agree that education is extremely important, if for no other reason than to combat the dearth of critical thinking and reasoning skills that is so prevalent in modern society. And to address the sheer lack of knowledge of history that would help put current and future events in to context. Without that education, every tool seems completely novel and inherently dangerous, rather than the common element that has persisted through the last few thousand years: the people using those tools.

It all goes back to individuals succumbing to the simple state fallacy, where everything is either one thing or another; wholly good or wholly bad. Which is almost never the case. Binary thinking, often championed by the likes Russell Brand’s cohort, is a plague on society. And many malicious entities have done their best to amplify that binary thinking because it enables divide and rule tactics. Polarisation makes exploitation that much easier—they won’t fight you when they are fighting each other.

Now:

“Social justice is an evil scourge on society!”

“The formal justice system is inherently evil!”

“Social media is destroying the world!”

Then:

“Books (especially the printed bible) are satanic and heretical and will lead to mankind’s destruction!”

“Newspapers only seed discord, division, and plant dangerous, immoral ideas amongst the masses!”

“TV is scrambling the minds of the youth and society is on the path to collapse!”

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

So do we agree that education using whatever tools are available is the key to counter binary thinking on any subject matter and perhaps the best way to maintain equilibrium.

 

[SebastianBlue]

So do we agree that education using whatever tools are available is the key to counter binary thinking on any subject matter and perhaps the best way to maintain equilibrium.

I said education is one of the keys to combating what plagues society in my post?

 

[meltonblue]

So do we agree that education using whatever tools are available is the key to counter binary thinking on any subject matter and perhaps the best way to maintain equilibrium.

That’s always been the key to it. The difficulty nowadays is we’re in still in the times of “having enough of experts” and increasing political interference in academia.

We’re not there yet and we do still have the opportunity to turn our back on it but it does worry me how much of recent American thought processes have invaded some of our media, politics and social conversation. This is a prime example tbh where it’s a brilliant example of investigative journalism doing exactly what it’s there for and yet it’s denounced by some due to a distrust in the media as a whole without even an attempt at consideration.

It’s worrying how simplistic we have to make the debate nowadays and we still have an awful lot of people in positions of power that are trying their best to keep it that way.

 

[hammocity]

If he does go through the court and is proven guilty, he will go to jail.

Where he will probably then get some of this social justice as well.

Hope he does and gets put in a cell with Mr Big:

“Ok Russ, do you want to be Mummy or Daddy?”

“I’ll be Daddy” says Brand

Mr Big says, “get over here and suck Mummy’s cock”.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

Interesting that Brand is sort of now an integral part of the grotty little gang that is Shapiro, Rogan, Musk, Carlston, Tate etc.

 

[Coatigan]

Now:

“Social justice is an evil scourge on society!”

“The formal justice system is inherently evil!”

“Social media is destroying the world!”

Then:

“Books (especially the printed bible) are satanic and heretical and will lead to mankind’s destruction!”

“Newspapers only seed discord, division, and plant dangerous, immoral ideas amongst the masses!”

“TV is scrambling the minds of the youth and society is on the path to collapse!”

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

A bit selective that.

The 'then' is still applied today, amongst certain parts of the population. The now is true where relevant among certain parts of that spectrum. It is just one side of it you are focused on.

 

[west didsblue]

Suspended from making money from YouTube.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The bbc are an absolute disgrace, why have most of these sexual stories involved a lot of cunts who worked for them. Savile, Hall, Harris, Peel, and a lot more know doubt and now this fucker. They all the employees come out and tell you yeah we’ve known for years should be sacked cos they are as bad.

Any condemnation for Brand, or is his outing just a useful vehicle for you to spout his and your ramblings.

Suspecting someone is a wrong’un isn’t the same as having the proof to know.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don’t watch that shite, but yes you are right. Why was that tolerated on tv.

Free speech, innit.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Joey Barton and Doggymore?

Simon Jordan must be pretty high on that list too.

 

[M18CTID]

If only people had paid attention there, it was obvious he was a wrong-un.

Asking Vanessa Feltz for a shag?

He's not been right in the head for a longtime.

Unreal that he was able to say that and not face any action for it. I thought Vanessa handled that as best she possibly could in the circumstances but no doubt she wanted to slap the ****. What he said to her was wrong on so many levels.

 

[SebastianBlue]

A bit selective that.

The 'then' is still applied today, amongst certain parts of the population. The now is true where relevant among certain parts of that spectrum. It is just one side of it you are focused on.

Well, yes, that was the point of the post.

Hence “The more things change, the more they remain the same.”

 

[M18CTID]

Joey Barton and Doggymore?

I'd actually argue that Barton comes across as considerably more intelligent that Russell Brand. He's still a prick though!

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Unreal that he was able to say that and not face any action for it. I thought Vanessa handled that as best she possibly could in the circumstances but no doubt she wanted to slap the ****. What he said to her was wrong on so many levels.

It is unreal looking back on it with 2023 eyes.

TV was scrutinised far less in those days, as long as you didn’t swear.

Lad and ladette culture was rife.

It doesn’t make it right, it just looks really bad now remembering it.

 

[M18CTID]

It is unreal looking back on it with 2023 eyes.

TV was scrutinised far less in those days, as long as you didn’t swear.

Lad and ladette culture was rife.

It doesn’t make it right, it just looks really bad now remembering it.

True, but I think if I was aware of that clip back then I'd have still thought it was way beyond the line. And I'm far from what one would call a prude. I wouldn't call what he said lad culture - more like nonce culture

 

[york away to this!]

How old were her daughters at the time?

 

[M18CTID]

How old were her daughters at the time?

She said she thinks one of them was 15 when he said that

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It is unreal looking back on it with 2023 eyes.

TV was scrutinised far less in those days, as long as you didn’t swear.

Lad and ladette culture was rife.

It doesn’t make it right, it just looks really bad now remembering it.

I think the 'ladette' thing was one of the biggest cons ever perpetrated on female empowerment.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

If only people had paid attention there, it was obvious he was a wrong-un.

Asking Vanessa Feltz for a shag?

He's not been right in the head for a longtime.

The mad thing is the people defending him in that clip in the comments. Fucking grotesque.