Do we really need an Official Supporters Club?

[Prestwich_Blue]

LOL the brick wall's back.

I'm asking the question about the relevance of supporters clubs in the modern communication age. So instead of doing an impersonation of a third rate politician why don't you, with your long experience of the Supporters Club, give me a worthwhile, well-argued and reasoned rationale for the existence of supporters clubs answer instead of (yet again) trying to deflect the argument or put words in my mouth that I never said?

-- Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:25 pm --


Probably more than the number of OSC members that go to more than a couple of games a season.

and out of that number on bluemoon how many are supporters club members

mcfc as a club will listen to supporters club befor it will listen to an internet forum

The OSC thinks whatever its chairman wants it to think. It's a centralist organisation where if the committee votes 3-2 in favour, that's the official view whatever the members think. That's not representative. Bluemoon is far more representative than the OSC.

 

[dw7]

and out of that number on bluemoon how many are supporters club members

mcfc as a club will listen to supporters club befor it will listen to an internet forum

The OSC thinks whatever its chairman wants it to think.

well not in my branch maybe in the one that you were in try standing up for yourself and say no. rather than leaving the club then moan about how wrong things are done

and bm has poll's that can easily be hijacked by rival supporters for opinions

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The OSC thinks whatever its chairman wants it to think.

well not in my branch maybe in the one that you were in try standing up for yourself and say no. rather than leaving the club then moan about how wrong things are done

and bm has poll's that can easily be hijacked by rival supporters for opinions

I meant the executive committee (of which I've had experience). If your branch decides x and the EC decides y then you're stuffed.

 

[tueartsboots]

MANCHESTER CITY SUPPORTERS’ CLUB (1949)
MINUTES OF THE EC MEETING HELD AT THE CITY OF MANCHESTER STADIUM ON 24th August 2010


Chairman: Alan Galley
Committee Present: Alan Galley, Alan Potter, , Mike Young, Christine Wardle
Apologies: Kevin Parker, Karen McCormack, Howard Burr, Carol Darvill, Alex Channon, Woodside, Warrington, Stretford, Prestwich & Whitefield.

Meeting Opened: 7.10

Minutes of Last Meeting:

Moved: Middleton Seconded: Baguley & Brooklands

Matters Arising: None.

Correspondence:

Barrow Coach Pass

Matt Keeling Proposed Branch in Tenerife

Chesterfield Club Room

Hazel Grove Travel Form

Hong Kong Website
Johannesburg

R Barlow Lincoln branch info request

T Jacobs Johannesburg branch info request

Cape Town Membership fees

Bolton Thanks to D Wilson

Milton Keynes Ticket Ordering query

MCFC Charities list

Donegal Memberships
Wicklow
Johannesburg
Wythenshawe
Failsworth

Hr Openshaw Flags
Knutsford
Hampshire

Singapore New Branch info

M Young Website

FSF Newsletter

Denton New Supp Club badge disc

Carlow Programme
Chorley

Cookstown World Cup Draw

Various City Square Test Event

Moved: Baguley & Brooklands Seconded: Piccadily

Treasurer’s Report:

Two letters have been received from Royal Bank of Scotland one in respect of the takeover by Santander and the other regarding the negotiation of a foreign cheque for the Malta Branch.

All major prizes for the World Cup Draw have been distributed however the following branches still have funds to collect
Piccadilly
Didsbury
Gorton
Wicklow
Forfar
Ancoats
Bredbury
Blackpool
Northenden
Leicester & Rugby
Lincoln
Barrow
Dukinfield
The monies can be deducted from any future payments or alternatively contact Alan Potter.

Stadium Tour tickets are still available at a cost of £2.50 Adults £1.50 Juniors/OAPS please contact Alan Potter.


Moved: Middleton Seconded: Baguley & Brooklands

PRO Report

As previously advised Mike has experienced problems setting up passwords and with the news feeds, these problems have now been rectified and Mike should be able to offer any assistance branches may need.

Information for the programmes need to be in as follows :

Blackburn 4th September

Chelsea 18th September

Les Saul asked who is responsible for updating the Web site as we still do not have minutes available, Mike advised that this one of several problems that are still outstanding and that he is hoping to have further meeting with Frank design.

Moved: Denton Seconded: Baguley & Brooklands

Social Report:

Christmas draw tickets are now available and have been posted ,if any branch has not received them or wants more please contact Christine Wardle

Moved: Denton Seconded Piccadilly

Travel Report:

Anybody who hasn’t put a travel form in for Sunderland …Its now to late.

The ticket store printed several Sunderland Coach tickets as Friday 20th instead of Sunday 29th.The tickets are valid and the times are correct.

Wigan £11 Adults £7 Juniors /OAPS

Crispins 12pm, Churchill Pub, Chorlton Street. 12.15 pm, COMS 12.30 pm Moston 12.45 pm

Insurance Forms to be in by 12th September

Blackpool £12 Adults £8 Juniors/OAPS

Crispins 12pm,Churchill Pub, Chorlton Street 12.15 pm COMS 12.30 pm Moston 12.45 pm

Insurance Forms to be in by 10th October.



Moved:Middleton Seconded: Baguley & Brooklands

General Secretary’s No report

Membership No report
Charity No report

The club accept that the City Square is not suitable for the Supporters club room,but they are continuing to review the situation.
Alan has contacted Mary Ds as a result the upstairs room at Mary Ds is available for the Blackburn Game –a supporters club membership card will be required for admittance. This action was agreed by all present.

The letter from Bolton mentioned in correspondence was read out in full and thanked Danny Wilson for all his hard work. Alan then advised that a member of another branch has contacted Danny Wilson direct to complain re the availability of a room ‘’It was agreed by all present that any official contact with the club should only be made by the General Secretary’’



There being no further business the Chairman closed the meeting at 8.10
Date of Next Meeting: 21st September (subject to Cup Draw).

Delegates Attending: Eccles,Denton,Middleton,B Patterson,J Gatley,Baguley&Brooklands,Piccadilly,Northenden.Mossley,Reddish,Dukinfield,Hr Openshaw

 

[dw7]

well not in my branch maybe in the one that you were in try standing up for yourself and say no. rather than leaving the club then moan about how wrong things are done

and bm has poll's that can easily be hijacked by rival supporters for opinions

I meant the executive committee (of which I've had experience). If your branch decides x and the EC decides y then you're stuffed.

maybe so but isn't that the way most large organisations work

if bm took over from the osc how will it work everyone has a say so who will decide even rival fans will have a say

 

[mancitygaz]

Lets ban human interaction all together shall we,

Get rid of CITC, give them all laptops,

get rid of OSC, give them all laptops,

In fact. lets all throw our s/c cards away and have done with it. I got City to win the prem in my second season on FM2010 and only £19.99!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Lets ban human interaction all together shall we,

Get rid of CITC, give them all laptops,

get rid of OSC, give them all laptops,

In fact. lets all throw our s/c cards away and have done with it. I got City to win the prem in my second season on FM2010 and only £19.99!

Instead of being facetious or attacking my motives, why can't anyone give me a convincing argument in favour of Official Supporters Clubs?

Maybe because there isn't one.

 

[dw7]

Lets ban human interaction all together shall we,

Get rid of CITC, give them all laptops,

get rid of OSC, give them all laptops,

In fact. lets all throw our s/c cards away and have done with it. I got City to win the prem in my second season on FM2010 and only £19.99!

Instead of being facetious or attacking my motives, why can't anyone give me a convincing argument in favour of Official Supporters Clubs?

Maybe because there isn't one.

and because you've had a bad experience with a supporters club you think an internet forum would be better<br /><br />-- Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:15 am --<br /><br />

Lets ban human interaction all together shall we,

Get rid of CITC, give them all laptops,

get rid of OSC, give them all laptops,

In fact. lets all throw our s/c cards away and have done with it. I got City to win the prem in my second season on FM2010 and only £19.99!

Instead of being facetious or attacking my motives, why can't anyone give me a convincing argument in favour of Official Supporters Clubs?

Maybe because there isn't one.

so you dont think supporters clubs are good for long distance blues or overseas blues to get together and organise tickets and travel

 

[mancitygaz]

Lets ban human interaction all together shall we,

Get rid of CITC, give them all laptops,

get rid of OSC, give them all laptops,

In fact. lets all throw our s/c cards away and have done with it. I got City to win the prem in my second season on FM2010 and only £19.99!

Instead of being facetious or attacking my motives, why can't anyone give me a convincing argument in favour of Official Supporters Clubs?

Maybe because there isn't one.

Maybe because anything that gets people involved with our club is a good thing.

All have a role to play so why feel the need to ditch anything?

I think BM is great as is anything that gets people into City.

When we sell out week in week out these places still have a role to play,

 

[waterloo blue]

I've been a member of two,first one Ashton in the late seventies after graduating from the junior blues,the bloke who ran it, Harry Revell was selfless and did a great job without looking for anything other than to advance the club.
The second was the London branch in the early nineties,while Tina could organise trips and travel very well,the experience of attending the meetings was tedium as various student types bickered and engaged in various "in jokes".
They viewed my two mates and I as thugs,even though nothing could be further from the truth and we usually kept to our selves,but I wouldn't class the experience as enjoyable just useful.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

so you dont think supporters clubs are good for long distance blues or overseas blues to get together and organise tickets and travel

What stops people doing this on an unofficial basis? Plenty of groups of fans who go to a particualr pub or live in a partcular area arrange tickets and travel.

We had nearly 200 blues in a London pub to watch the Carling Cup semi last season. Didn't need the OS for that. I don't doubt that some branches are well run but I'm just asking the question of what is their role in the modern era? What do they do that emails, Facebook, internet, mobile phones, etc. can't do?

I've no axe to grind I just want an answer.

 

[dw7]

not all people have access to the internet . so some go into meting take note of the next one and enjoy going in to chat with other blues.

some clubs could take 40/50 people to a home game and can all sit near each oher because i fella will organise all the tickets through the supporters club leave 40/50 to do the individualy and they be all over the place

 

[crumpsallblue]

The OSC has about 5-6,000 members. The City Facebook page has 140,000 members. We have Points of Blue to raise any issues with the club and the marvellous Danny Wilson is always available.

The OSC organise a couple of coaches to away games but plenty of btanches organise their own coaches and could do whether there was a supporters club or not. In London there is an OSC branch that does bugger all so tueartsboots has organised a pub for City fans to gather and watch games in and many of us meet up socially on a regular basis.

So why do we need an Official Supporters Club at all? Does it just feed a few egos? Would we as fans be worse off if it disappeared?

Do we really need people like you spitting your dummy out over OSC's gettin a few measley tickets? i've got 8 million points and cant get a ticket, blah blah blah...And no i'm not a member of one i was in an independant one years ago...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The OSC has about 5-6,000 members. The City Facebook page has 140,000 members. We have Points of Blue to raise any issues with the club and the marvellous Danny Wilson is always available.

The OSC organise a couple of coaches to away games but plenty of btanches organise their own coaches and could do whether there was a supporters club or not. In London there is an OSC branch that does bugger all so tueartsboots has organised a pub for City fans to gather and watch games in and many of us meet up socially on a regular basis.

So why do we need an Official Supporters Club at all? Does it just feed a few egos? Would we as fans be worse off if it disappeared?

Do we really need people like you spitting your dummy out over OSC's gettin a few measley tickets? i've got 8 million points and cant get a ticket, blah blah blah...And no i'm not a member of one i was in an independant one years ago...

How sad. You used to be able to have an intelligent debate on here.

 

[BimboBob]

In the good old days,before websites, t'internet, mobile phones and forums the only way to have contact and information from your club was via the official supporters club. You felt connected to the club by being a member.

These days things are different. Official Supporters Clubs, like fanzines, are in decline and if i'm honest i see a future without them.

Which is a shame but that's progress i suppose.

 

[crumpsallblue]

Do we really need people like you spitting your dummy out over OSC's gettin a few measley tickets? i've got 8 million points and cant get a ticket, blah blah blah...And no i'm not a member of one i was in an independant one years ago...

How sad. You used to be able to have an intelligent debate on here.

Debate? After reading about OSC's on the main forum it wasnt up for discussion.. City fans come in all shapes n sizes, whether thats the old school meeting in the pub for discussions/tickets or sorting it out on forums like this. Thats all.

 

[bluetoby]

Do we need an official supporters club ? no
do we need an internet forum ? no
do we need to be at the top of the premier league to enjoy supporting our club ? no
So the answer is that we dont need any add ons, now some of us enjoy being in a supporters club for the social side as well as the home and away travel to matches. And other people travel up and down the country alone in their car attending matches its up to them.
It would apear that the op has had a bad experiance at a supporters club branch well dont be a member of that branch, start your own branch affiliated or not your choice or dont be a member of any organisation and go on internet forums.
lots of sprouting off about tickets well thats the system and no system is perfect if you are aware of any abusses (as lots of people seem to be) then report them and help to make the system better. But as mentioned no system is perfect there is a thread today about someone wanting a ticket for Wigan away and lo and behold already advice offered is find someone with enough points who isnt going and use their points to obtain tickets, surely thats wrong in the eyes of many people who have posted against the osc on here, will they be starting threads ?? I think not.
In summary be a member or not everyones personal choice if not and you encounter some one abussing the system then report it and help to make the system better rather than moaning behind a computer screen.

 

[dw7]

Do we need an official supporters club ? no
do we need an internet forum ? no
do we need to be at the top of the premier league to enjoy supporting our club ? no
So the answer is that we dont need any add ons, now some of us enjoy being in a supporters club for the social side as well as the home and away travel to matches. And other people travel up and down the country alone in their car attending matches its up to them.
It would apear that the op has had a bad experiance at a supporters club branch well dont be a member of that branch, start your own branch affiliated or not your choice or dont be a member of any organisation and go on internet forums.
lots of sprouting off about tickets well thats the system and no system is perfect if you are aware of any abusses (as lots of people seem to be) then report them and help to make the system better. But as mentioned no system is perfect there is a thread today about someone wanting a ticket for Wigan away and lo and behold already advice offered is find someone with enough points who isnt going and use their points to obtain tickets, surely thats wrong in the eyes of many people who have posted against the osc on here, will they be starting threads ?? I think not.
In summary be a member or not everyones personal choice if not and you encounter some one abussing the system then report it and help to make the system better rather than moaning behind a computer screen.

out of the 2 threads this one and the one on the main fourm this post is by far and away the best of the lot and should put an end to the debate/argument

 

[cyberblue]

It seems to me that Prestwich Blue & Tueartsboots have an unhealthy hatred to the OSC in generall & London branch in particular & are using this site to turn fans opions away from supporters clubs . If fans are happy being in a branch it is up to them .who are we to tell people what they can or cant do

LOL the brick wall's back.

I'm asking the question about the relevance of supporters clubs in the modern communication age. So instead of doing an impersonation of a third rate politician why don't you, with your long experience of the Supporters Club, give me a worthwhile, well-argued and reasoned rationale for the existence of supporters clubs answer instead of (yet again) trying to deflect the argument or put words in my mouth that I never said?

-- Fri Sep 03, 2010 11:25 pm --

out of the 22500 i'd say there is about 1500/2000 that post on a regular basis

Probably more than the number of OSC members that go to more than a couple of games a season.

If people are happy joining them who are we to object

 

[fbloke]

Do I expect the OSC to be on the list of things to be vastly improved? Yes

Do I think that the board expects more from an 'Official' sanctioned SC? Yes

Would I expect this to have been the reason for the 2 organizations to have recently been merged? Yes

Would there be value in an OSC bar or meeting place in the new site/stadium developments to help give it gravitas and meaning? Yes

Just a few thoughts for you to consider there.........