BerkshireBlue
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this is exactly the attitude that makes people stay with the status quo. It is possible with the right set up and leaders something we don't have
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this is exactly the attitude that makes people stay with the status quo. It is possible with the right set up and leaders something we don't have
johnnytapia
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“Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis”It’s like all other threads on politics this.
Seems to attract the same old faces.
If you look at the voting pattern above less than 10% oppose the strike which is about par for the course.
If you went out on the street and ask Joe Public their thoughts on strike action me thinks the percentages may be a little bit different.
Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis
Malcolm MacDonald agrees.
It’s not about attitude it’s about reality.this is exactly the attitude that makes people stay with the status quo. It is possible with the right set up and leaders something we don't have
They have held various conferences to try and level Company Corporation Tax in the recent past and they have all failed.
How would you get Russia, China, or any developing country to agree to this.
What happens over other taxes, particularly personal ones that are politically motivated.
You would never get Countries to agree when tax rates are often set on ideological grounds.
Ha ha very good. The one bleeding match I missed all season and to make matters worse I had let a Rag mate use my Season Ticket for the game.“Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis”
Malcolm MacDonald agrees.
Zuriblue
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But 2 of the goals were offside so they only lost 8-1.“Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis”
Malcolm MacDonald agrees.
Gabriel
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Only the start of increased industrial action and there will be much more down the line (boom boom). More automation and more inflation- on the back of austerity and a pandemic- mean people are going to face greater threats to their livelihoods and a greater struggle to make ends meet.
urban genie
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See the tired, pathetic and stale trope to pit public sector v private sector commentry has been used since I was on yesterday, and how people like rail workers don't realise the harsh reality of those in the latter.
Well speaking as someone who worked 13 years in private sector catering and the last 16 in public sector catering, I was much better off before in many ways than I am now.
I was paid better in hotels with bonuses, I had a pension, 28 days holiday, time and half and double time for BH and christmas (now I get time back in lieu), pretty much unscrutinised by management unlike now where constant pressure exists as a public servant to deliver expectations.
The only real plus points or working is the public sector I have found is that I have a the best pension scheme about, decent sick pay, settled hrs that are not unsociable, a decent enough wage and job security (to a point) but with that I have a lot more stress, pressure and scrutiny.
I could go back to the privare sector any time and would probably be very happy working in it with less stress, reasonably similar pay, but also less security and work life balance, I would see less of City for sure as weekends would no longer be my own.
As for the Unions, well unison is not my prefered choice but the only recognised one so am stuck with them, but at the same time they have helped myself and many staff on personal work related issues.
Those saying that Public sector gain by having a union that private sector workers don't and if they demanded 11% they would be told to fuck off, there is a simple answer to that, private sector workers can form or join unions too to get support and fight for better conditions, it seems this is the only country where it has been fed to people that Unions are predominently for the public sector, all workers of any sector can join and work together to bring better working conditoons and pay to all workers across the both sectors.
The workers be it public/private, manual, finacial, service and the self employed should all come together to work for a better working life for all, we are not seperate entities, we are memeber s of a vast diverse workforce and should not let those at the top divide us
Well speaking as someone who worked 13 years in private sector catering and the last 16 in public sector catering, I was much better off before in many ways than I am now.
I was paid better in hotels with bonuses, I had a pension, 28 days holiday, time and half and double time for BH and christmas (now I get time back in lieu), pretty much unscrutinised by management unlike now where constant pressure exists as a public servant to deliver expectations.
The only real plus points or working is the public sector I have found is that I have a the best pension scheme about, decent sick pay, settled hrs that are not unsociable, a decent enough wage and job security (to a point) but with that I have a lot more stress, pressure and scrutiny.
I could go back to the privare sector any time and would probably be very happy working in it with less stress, reasonably similar pay, but also less security and work life balance, I would see less of City for sure as weekends would no longer be my own.
As for the Unions, well unison is not my prefered choice but the only recognised one so am stuck with them, but at the same time they have helped myself and many staff on personal work related issues.
Those saying that Public sector gain by having a union that private sector workers don't and if they demanded 11% they would be told to fuck off, there is a simple answer to that, private sector workers can form or join unions too to get support and fight for better conditions, it seems this is the only country where it has been fed to people that Unions are predominently for the public sector, all workers of any sector can join and work together to bring better working conditoons and pay to all workers across the both sectors.
The workers be it public/private, manual, finacial, service and the self employed should all come together to work for a better working life for all, we are not seperate entities, we are memeber s of a vast diverse workforce and should not let those at the top divide us
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nellyonthewing
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Greedy bastards
If you say so MalcolmBut 2 of the goals were offside so they only lost 8-1.
Listening to various news reports this morning and I think it’s safe to say the RMT are not getting the support from Joe Public that they seem to be getting on here.
We have had hospital staff on saying there will be big shortages in numbers putting the welfare of patients at risk and a station shop owner saying if the strikes are going to continue that’s the end of his business.
Perhaps some need to re look at their definition of who qualifies as greedy and selfish but I doubt they will.
We have had hospital staff on saying there will be big shortages in numbers putting the welfare of patients at risk and a station shop owner saying if the strikes are going to continue that’s the end of his business.
Perhaps some need to re look at their definition of who qualifies as greedy and selfish but I doubt they will.