Do you support the RMT?

[bluethrunthru]

 

[halfmist]

My mate works for London Underground- works in the control room- gets 80k plus bonus

Yet a co pilot with EasyJet after paying over £130k for his own training and in an incredibly difficult and stressful job gets about £32k

 

[halfmist]

Can’t see why he wouldn’t say job cuts. If we never had job cuts we would still be paying out for hangman’s jobs

 

[bluethrunthru]

Can’t see why he wouldn’t say job cuts. If we never had job cuts we would still be paying out for hangman’s jobs

STFU - Patel might be listening ha ha ha ha - don't give her idea's

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

My mate works for London Underground- works in the control room- gets 80k plus bonus

Good lad, works in the control room of one of the best public transport systems in the world. Don't begrudge him a penny.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yet a co pilot with EasyJet after paying over £130k for his own training and in an incredibly difficult and stressful job gets about £32k

Any reason you chose EasyJet?

 

[mackenzie]

Thatcher tried to kill the Union movement. That should tell you all you need to know.
My parents were a shop steward union man and his Thatcher loving wife.
Christ knows how they celebrated 50 years of marriage ;-)
He hated Thatcher, she loved her. She hated the days of the early to mid 1970s when unions were all powerful (according to her).
Yet we need unions now like never before, because it's almost the last bastion of the working man and woman

 

[halfmist]

Any reason you chose EasyJet?

Nope, other than I heard what the basic starting pay on one of those “come fly with us”type docu soaps they did.
My basic point is in the private sector the market dictates pay, like it or lump it
As regards the public sector, the Railways get public subsidies.
In other words tax Payers, not customers, on nothing like that amount of money, are having to pay for these excessive wages out of their taxes
If the railways relied on customer funding only and made a profit good luck to the staff.

 

[halfmist]

Thatcher tried to kill the Union movement. That should tell you all you need to know.
My parents were a shop steward union man and his Thatcher loving wife.
Christ knows how they celebrated 50 years of marriage ;-)
He hated Thatcher, she loved her. She hated the days of the early to mid 1970s when unions were all powerful (according to her).
Yet we need unions now like never before, because it's almost the last bastion of the working man and woman

Ask the Car Industry how the Unions helped ruin them in the 70’s/80’s.

 

[halfmist]

It’s like all other threads on politics this.
Seems to attract the same old faces.
If you look at the voting pattern above less than 10% oppose the strike which is about par for the course.
If you went out on the street and ask Joe Public their thoughts on strike action me thinks the percentages may be a little bit different.
Impossible to have a reasoned debate on a 10-1 basis

 

[west didsblue]

Nope, other than I heard what the basic starting pay on one of those “come fly with us”type docu soaps they did.
My basic point is in the private sector the market dictates pay, like it or lump it
As regards the public sector, the Railways get public subsidies.
In other words tax Payers, not customers, on nothing like that amount of money, are having to pay for these excessive wages out of their taxes
If the railways relied on customer funding only and made a profit good luck to the staff.

On what basis are you saying wages are excessive? Someone on £80k in a railway control room is likely to be held accountable for the safety of thousands of passengers unlike a co-pilot on any aircraft where the captain is the accountable person and is on about £115k on average according to the web. So £80k doesn’t seem unreasonable for having that responsibility.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Nope, other than I heard what the basic starting pay on one of those “come fly with us”type docu soaps they did.
My basic point is in the private sector the market dictates pay, like it or lump it
As regards the public sector, the Railways get public subsidies.
In other words tax Payers, not customers, on nothing like that amount of money, are having to pay for these excessive wages out of their taxes
If the railways relied on customer funding only and made a profit good luck to the staff.

Not sure if you’re on a wind-up or are the perfect person for this type of government.

You do understand that tax payers subsidise loads of stuff in order to allow the rich capitalist owners to take their cut as well as those who have shares. The biggest con is that we subsidise the low paid with tax credits so the very rich don’t have to.

What you’re saying is that anybody in public service should not aspire to get to the top and work towards a future. In other words, ’Know your place and don’t even think about taking mine’.

Hope you enjoy that pedestal you’ve plonked yourself on.

 

[halfmist]

Not sure if you’re on a wind-up or are the perfect person for this type of government.

You do understand that tax payers subsidise loads of stuff in order to allow the rich capitalist owners to take their cut as well as those who have shares. The biggest con is that we subsidise the low paid with tax credits so the very rich don’t have to.

What you’re saying is that anybody in public service should not aspire to get to the top and work towards a future. In other words, ’Know your place and don’t even think about taking mine’.

Hope you enjoy that pedestal you’ve plonked yourself on.

The Unions are the biggest threat to anyone “getting on” as you call it through the use of collective bargaining.
What is the incentive for any Public Sector worker to go that extra mile when everyone else around them cant be arsed as it doesn’t affect their prospects.
Ends up most drop down to the same level.

 

[west didsblue]

The Unions are the biggest threat to anyone “getting on” as you call it through the use of collective bargains.
What is the incentive for any Public Sector worker to go that extra mile when everyone else around them isny
Ends up most drop down to the same level.

As an executive in a large private sector company I can say that’s a load of bollocks. The staff are represented by a union and benefit from collective bargaining and as a result they always get a bigger pay increase than middle management who just get what they’re given, and see their pay differential erode annually.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The Unions are the biggest threat to anyone “getting on” as you call it through the use of collective bargaining.
What is the incentive for any Public Sector worker to go that extra mile when everyone else around them cant be arsed as it doesn’t affect their prospects.
Ends up most drop down to the same level.

Talking shite, mate.

 

[Dogtanian]

I always thought the railways are really well payed jobs i know drivers are on about40-60k depending on who they work for and tickets please pays about 30k, i have put unsure as im not sure who the low paid people are or what they earn

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Nope, other than I heard what the basic starting pay on one of those “come fly with us”type docu soaps they did.
My basic point is in the private sector the market dictates pay, like it or lump it
As regards the public sector, the Railways get public subsidies.
In other words tax Payers, not customers, on nothing like that amount of money, are having to pay for these excessive wages out of their taxes
If the railways relied on customer funding only and made a profit good luck to the staff.

The reason I ask is because EasyJet is a budget operator. Therefore almost certainly a co-pilot for that airline is probably an entry-level job. What is the average pilot earning 10 years into their career?

It's like comparing the salary of a junior doctor to the cost of the training, as if they stay on that salary forever.

 

[metalblue]

Which kids travel to school by train that aren't in private ones?

They are the only ones I have experience of and they got different rules during COVID. As we ran special trains for Tarquin to his private school in Lincolnshire from Nottingham whilst cutting essential workers services to get them to their shifts.


The government (Schapps) have politicised the strike. I've spoke to directors of TOCs in my union roles who have told me they've asked the DFT to be allowed to sort the dispute and they are being ignored as well.


I don't want to strike but it's a last resort.


Station staff replaced by agency staff who are there purely for customer service at "Network Rail Hub stations only" who will be the only stations with manned booking offices. Other stations, for example Stockport/Occy Road will be expected to be fully automated. Right down to safe dispatch of trains.

Potters Bar, Hadfield, Grayrigg. Three rail disasters that could have been averted if private owned infrastructure company had done its job at the time. The tories seem to have forgotten this and want to increase subcontracting maintenance projects away from Networks rail responsibility.

We're fighting to protect jobs and safety of all passengers that use the network. The DFT think putting everything on an app is the best for the public. What they really mean is creaming off profits to the management contractors who will run the "nationalised" Great British Railway.

Striking is always the last resort. Lay members understand why it's been called and support it.

Personally I'm hoping, albeit naïvely that we will have made our point this week and negotiations will begin in earnest after.

I’ve no issue with the strike action itself. That’s for members to decide. Should have been done after exams.

I don’t like your assumption that only private school kids go on train. That’s not only bollocks it’s also a little bit snide.

 

[ganganvince]

I’ve no issue with the strike action itself. That’s for members to decide. Should have been done after exams.

I don’t like your assumption that only private school kids go on train. That’s not only bollocks it’s also a little bit snide.

Visit Greenbank Station any day around at school times platform is crowed with school kids

 

[urban genie]

I always thought the railways are really well payed jobs i know drivers are on about40-60k depending on who they work for and tickets please pays about 30k, i have put unsure as im not sure who the low paid people are or what they earn

Drivers are not striking, and if the guards are in the RMT and the union has a majority vote for strike action then whether they are affected or not any RMT memebers regardless of position or pay ahould not cross a picket line.

I am a manager and union member, when the staff go out on strike so do I and so should any manager or director who is in aunion.

You in the striking union then you strike together as brothers and sisters, scabs can get fucked