Do you want Tevez to stay?

[GXCity]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

We have the money, so tear up is contract before he damages moral.

thats just giving him an easy way out, its what he wants

suspend him till January no training nothing, then sell him in the transfer window

Any club wanting him now would need their head testing. I'd just fine him, make him train with the reserves / kids until at least next Summer. Forget selling him in Jan...make him suffer.

That was my initial thought. And then I started to think of the potential damage he could to our kids attitiude and development. I would just give him a pass to David Lloyd and tell him to keep himself fit that way.

 

[Scooby Blue]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Is saying "I don't need to warm up" the same as "I refuse to play".

It seems this is where the "misunderstanding" (if any) stems from.

At a minimum it seems Tevez ignored / refused a direct request from the manager to warm up ahead of being brought on as sub.

If you look at the footage, there is clearly a moment where Tevez moves to get up, but is told to stay where he is. i.e. Mancini is so incensed by his initial refusal to warm up that he has already moved on to other options + ruled Tevez out of not just Bayern Munich game but any further games while he is City manager.

In refusing to warm up Tevez is guilty of directly ignoring a legitimate request (i.e. grounds for breach of contract) and was probably motivated to try + score a point or two vs Mancini + undermine his authority.
But...this is not quite the same as "refusing to play" which is the ultimate act of selfishness / pettiness in a team sport.

I'm not splitting hairs, but just trying to get close to what the actual sequence of events / interchanges was.
Mancini is clearly livid (understandably) at having his authority undermined in front of the other subs + coaching staff by Tevez refusing to warm up.
But to then come out + tell the world's media that Tevez "refused to play" is perhaps not 100% accurate description of what happened.

Ahha you were on the bench eh & heard it?? No thought not! so speculate all you want but the one who matters says he refused to go on..thats good enough for me. (would bayern,Milan,MU allow this no..and nor will we)

Well...if you had to be on the bench to be allowed to contribute to this thread, it wouldn't be over fifty pages long.

I'm just pointing out that the sequence of interchanges may not be quite as black + white as Mancini's comments imply.

The "you need to warm up" / "no...I don't ....I just did for 10 mins" is a direct challenge to the manager's authority reminiscent of the Bellamy episode ("I'm not training twice a day...my knees can't take it...I'll do it my way" / "No you won't you'll do it my way or you never play for City again").

Since it appears the orders / requests were being handled by other members of the coaching staff...there is (literally) scope for some of the interchange to have got lost in translation.

There was clearly a degree of confusion (hence Mancini's post-match apology to Zabaleta about his involvement in the episode) and the Tevez quotes about not being in the right mental + physical state only add to the sense that he was not exactly keen to get on the pitch.

In his post-match interview David Platt (who has a better command of English than Mancini and was presumably close to everything that happened) noticeably refused to be drawn on backing up Mancini's version of events.
This may have been just through a common sense desire to keep a lid on things, but it may reflect an acknowledgement that Roberto had slightly exaggerated / misstated the extent of Tevez's "refusal to play".

 

[rodders1973]

No its been going on for too long now, last night was just the latest chapter of tevez tryin to get out of city anyway possible. Its obvious he doesn't want to play for city or mancini any longer. Roll on january when we can get rid.

 

[bluefandk]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Is saying "I don't need to warm up" the same as "I refuse to play".

It seems this is where the "misunderstanding" (if any) stems from.

At a minimum it seems Tevez ignored / refused a direct request from the manager to warm up ahead of being brought on as sub.

If you look at the footage, there is clearly a moment where Tevez moves to get up, but is told to stay where he is. i.e. Mancini is so incensed by his initial refusal to warm up that he has already moved on to other options + ruled Tevez out of not just Bayern Munich game but any further games while he is City manager.

In refusing to warm up Tevez is guilty of directly ignoring a legitimate request (i.e. grounds for breach of contract) and was probably motivated to try + score a point or two vs Mancini + undermine his authority.
But...this is not quite the same as "refusing to play" which is the ultimate act of selfishness / pettiness in a team sport.

I'm not splitting hairs, but just trying to get close to what the actual sequence of events / interchanges was.
Mancini is clearly livid (understandably) at having his authority undermined in front of the other subs + coaching staff by Tevez refusing to warm up.
But to then come out + tell the world's media that Tevez "refused to play" is perhaps not 100% accurate description of what happened.

Ahha you were on the bench eh & heard it?? No thought not! so speculate all you want but the one who matters says he refused to go on..thats good enough for me. (would bayern,Milan,MU allow this no..and nor will we)

Well...if you had to be on the bench to be allowed to contribute to this thread, it wouldn't be over fifty pages long.

I'm just pointing out that the sequence of interchanges may not be quite as black + white as Mancini's comments imply.

The "you need to warm up" / "no...I don't ....I just did for 10 mins" is a direct challenge to the manager's authority reminiscent of the Bellamy episode ("I'm not training twice a day...my knees can't take it...I'll do it my way" / "No you won't you'll do it my way or you never play for City again").

Since it appears the orders / requests were being handled by other members of the coaching staff...there is (literally) scope for some of the interchange to have got lost in translation.

There was clearly a degree of confusion (hence Mancini's post-match apology to Zabaleta about his involvement in the episode) and the Tevez quotes about not being in the right mental + physical state only add to the sense that he was not exactly keen to get on the pitch.

In his post-match interview David Platt (who has a better command of English than Mancini and was presumably close to everything that happened) noticeably refused to be drawn on backing up Mancini's version of events.
This may have been just through a common sense desire to keep a lid on things, but it may reflect an acknowledgement that Roberto had slightly exaggerated / misstated the extent of Tevez's "refusal to play".

Why did Tevez then say that he was not mentally "right" and that was why he refused to play?

I think you are to desperate to believe his lies, he is a **** and should never be allowed to wear the shirt again.

 

[CTID1988]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

Tevez wont play again and he will be forgotten about in a couple of months when we are sitting pretty at the top of the table. I know its frustrating, but leave it to the club to deal with. Im sure they will think of a suitable punishment for the traitor. He has effectively took his city shirt and wiped his arse with it in my eyes, he can fuck off with his bullshit "apology" and saying he didnt refuse to come on. Tevez, you did refuse to help what was your team. You're a ****.

This is like splitting up with a girl then realising how much of a twat they were in the first place


Heres the twat getting on the bus last night...isnt that a face you want to stamp on

 

[waspish]

Apology

Have to say Sky are an absolute disgrace this morning last night the Tevez interview said he was mentally not ready to go on the pitch this morning sky have cut that out and had some journo saying there was a lot going on on the bench with all the different languages like it got misinterpreted KIA is on over drive pulling all is favours in WANKER

 

[CTID1988]

Re: Apology

He can take his "apology" and stick it up his arse. After he has done wiping it with the city shirt he should be proud to wear of course

 

[SWP's back]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

I see some people are eager to believe his lies and bullshit.

He refused to play end of story.

Go ahead and believe kia spin.

It's embarrassing isn't it.

 

[Carver]

Re: Apology

Those saying that he should train with the reserves, no, no, no! We do not want this scumbag darkening our door and having influence on the attitude of our younger players, who, amongst other things should be learning to be model professional footballers.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Carlos Tevez [Merged]

In his post-match interview David Platt (who has a better command of English than Mancini and was presumably close to everything that happened) noticeably refused to be drawn on backing up Mancini's version of events.
This may have been just through a common sense desire to keep a lid on things, but it may reflect an acknowledgement that Roberto had slightly exaggerated / misstated the extent of Tevez's "refusal to play".

"We are not going to lie. What happened happened," said the former England skipper.

To me, that is Platt 100% backing Mancini's version of events.