Don’t Blame Fans For The Empty Seats

Prestwich_Blue said:
That was part of the answer to address this specific problem. There's a surprising number of tickets that aren't used for a significant number of games. And when I say they aren't used, they're not passed on to someone else or listed on Ticket Exchange. All clubs have the same problem, which is why they're starting to introduce these sorts of measures. Naturally there's some self-interest by the clubs. My SC costs £40 pro-rata but if I list it on the Exchange it could be sold for more. People get upset about this but it seems fair enough to me that if you listed your seat for every game and it sold, you'd get back exactly what you paid for the ticket. The other part of the argument is that the tickets could be owned by touts, who can make a profit on just a few games. If you've got a £325 ticket, that works out at £17 a game and you could make that back just charging £65 for the top games, with anything else as profit. I suspect that's a large part of the reason we get away fans in home areas.
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PB - How would touts get their seasoncard back if selling to Joe Bloggs??? Or are they requesting paper tickets all the time? If that was the case, couldn't the club see those patterns and knock it on the head?
 
Mike Cathcart said:
Back to prices l understand that the OSC have often been in discussion with the club (Danny Wilson?) but they get knocked back too with the reason/excuse that the club believe people should pay for the top quality product they 'buy'.
Perhaps a reduction this year then?
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I've heard that too but my suspicion is that we're doing what the Glazers did, which is to squeeze prices until there starts to be an impact on demand, churn is up and they're struggling to sell the last few season tickets. We've not reached that point yet, not by a long chalk unfortunately. To me that's short-sighted though. If Pep goes and things turn to shit like at Arsenal & Spurs, you'll lose people quicker than you would if prices were more reasonable.
 
Stockton Heath Blue said:
PB - How would touts get their seasoncard back if selling to Joe Bloggs??? Or are they requesting paper tickets all the time? If that was the case, couldn't the club see those patterns and knock it on the head?
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You'd think so wouldn't you. Or they could scan them in and walk away with the ticket. Maybe one for me to check with the club but I suspect they're more focused on tickets not used at all. But I also think the club has a clearer picture of ticket abuse than it sometimes lets on.
 
Stockton Heath Blue said:
PB - How would touts get their seasoncard back if selling to Joe Bloggs??? Or are they requesting paper tickets all the time? If that was the case, couldn't the club see those patterns and knock it on the head?
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The touts aren’t loaning out season cards and getting them back. They will arrange for paper tickets or e-tickets. They also buy spare paper tickets from groups who have no shows on match days. I notice this because I often have to go to the ticket office to pick up tickets. The Club do have security around the ticket office that makes it a bit more difficult for touts on match days.
 
Watching PSG v Lyon.

Paris has 1 football team, PSG.

The population of Paris is 10mill.

Plenty of empty seats visible at the Le Parc des Princes tonight.
 
Gone are the Days when a Match Ticket was bought with lose change.

These days a match Ticket costs the same price as a weekly Shop for poor people.

Socio-economic factors are to blame for empty seats.The Rags also have thousands of empty seats these days. Ordinary People simply can not justify the outlay every other week in today climate.
 
If you add a seemingly never ending expanding fixture list across the football spectrum + games that you can watch live on your phone + year on year increase in tickets prices you get a general malaise.
 
Don’t forget officially with most clubs you can no longer just go up to the ground minutes before kick off and buy a ticket at the turnstiles

all has to be done in advance

I was amazed Stockport county no longer sell tickets on the day at their gates. Has to be done digitally
 
The thread title is Don't Blame Fans for the Empty Seats. Well I bet the OP is really embarrassed now after yesterdays pathetic showing.

There was me and Marvin there, no one else. After the abuse Marvin got I wasn't going to say anything but some things need to be said. So where were you lot ? a smidge of rain and you stay at home nice and warm, huh.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
Don’t forget officially with most clubs you can no longer just go up to the ground minutes before kick off and buy a ticket at the turnstiles

all has to be done in advance

I was amazed Stockport county no longer sell tickets on the day at their gates. Has to be done digitally
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Took my lad to Bolton v Ipswich a couple of years back, was amazed that they had a cash only turnstile in the away end, ok it wasn't exactly rammed, but nevertheless it was a very welcome surprise
 
dips66 said:
Took my lad to Bolton v Ipswich a couple of years back, was amazed that they had a cash only turnstile in the away end, ok it wasn't exactly rammed, but nevertheless it was a very welcome surprise
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Most clubs I have visited recently have automated turnstiles so it isn’t an option.

It can mean queuing twice once for a ticket and once to get through the automated gate. Some clubs have a number of ticket booths where you can get a ticket for cash or via credit card.
 
FFP contributes to the problem. Clubs are under pressure from 2 sides: FFP means they have to keep income up, while players hold all the aces and push wage costs up.
 
When I can’t go it’s 99% of the time for health issues, which can happen 1-2 days before or on the day of the game.

If one of a number of mates can use my SC I let them use it for free.
I can’t plan illness 3 weeks in advance, except if I’m going in hospital, then one of these mates can rearrange their schedule.

Due to the short timeframe City aren’t going to resell my ticket if I go through the scheme.

I’d rather be able to tell City I’m not going up to 3 hrs before the game and a walk up with a citizens card can buy it on the day of the game, but as far as I’m aware they don’t/ can’t do this.

I seem to recall that match day sales were once illegal for premier league games, (or against FA rules), but don’t appear to be now. Is this true or was it just the clubs that decided this?

Also, citizens cards should have photo I.D. specifically for this walk up purchase and these walk up tickets given out should be printed on a different colour card (e.g. yellow) and indicate to the gate staff like senior or junior cards do so that they can be checked against citizens card ID at the gate. (Or the citizens card with photo could be activated for the correct entrance and they just get a paper slip with seat number on it)
 
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jrb said:
Watching PSG v Lyon.

Paris has 1 football team, PSG.

The population of Paris is 10mill.
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Apart from Paris FC (Ligue 2), Red Star FC (National 1), US Créteil (National 2), and Racing Club (National 3).​
 
A lot of season ticket holders didn't tip up tonight. After the week we've had, that's poor. Some can't go, I get that, well give your tickets away you tight sods. I had a row of 18 empty seats behind me, all season ticket holders, I'm not having it that every one of them is away. I don't normally give a damn about the emptyhad jokes, but tonight we deserve everything we get thrown at us. I suppose the amount of games takes their toll but this was season ticket holders that didn't turn up.
 
Half term round most of Manchester, a big accident in m60, affecting the m62, m56, plus late rearrangement, on tv and dogshit weather im not surprised at the attendance.
 
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