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Ban-jani said:
I’ve read this post three times now and still don’t know what your point is, other than asking what he’s done, which is pretty obvious.

You don’t need me to tell you that de-escalating a stand off that raised concerns over nuclear war, and pushing a rogue state towards denuclearisation, is a good thing.

Tell me, aside from what’s happened, what would have been your policy?
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The stand off that Trump de-escalated was the same stand off he created. He de-escalated by giving in to Kim’s demands for nothing in return other than the remains of some KIA following many requests by their parents!
If you read the signed agreement Kim doesn’t actually have to do anything about his nukes other than say the right things every so often. Meanwhile there’s absolutely nothing in place or planned that would stop him building up his arsenal as much as he wants, and he has been given free rein to carry on killing or torturing as many of his own people as he wants.
 
The blue phantom said:
Lol. Kim Jong has played a fuckin blinder and made trump look like a ****. And this new footage that the North Koreans have just released of Trump Saluting one of their generals makes him look an even bigger ****.
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Very immature post but expect nothing less from you.

“He’s a ****”, “he looks a ****” ... grow up
 
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SWP's back said:
Their commitment towards denuclearisation is less than they agreed two months ago.
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Well the news out of the US today is that they’ll be disarmed by 2020.

The cynic in me thinks they’ll never get rid of them but become allies to Trump.
 
The blue phantom said:
Lol. Kim Jong has played a fuckin blinder and made trump look like a ****. And this new footage that the North Koreans have just released of Trump Saluting one of their generals makes him look an even bigger ****.
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Yeah the doofus got played on that one. The President of the US saluting a NK General. That vid is going to be played on a loop forever. And not just in NK.
 
west didsblue said:
The stand off that Trump de-escalated was the same stand off he created. He de-escalated by giving in to Kim’s demands for nothing in return other than the remains of some KIA following many requests by their parents!
If you read the signed agreement Kim doesn’t actually have to do anything about his nukes other than say the right things every so often. Meanwhile there’s absolutely nothing in place or planned that would stop him building up his arsenal as much as he wants, and he has been given free rein to carry on killing or torturing as many of his own people as he wants.
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He created it to put his foot down and then has allowed cooling talks, it’s obviously worked.

The US are pushing for 2020 as a date for them to have gone, breaking news today.

However as I’ve just said to SWP, I think they’ll allow them to keep the weapons but use them as an ally.

The murdering and torturing part is horrific. However I’m not sure Trump could have done anything about it realistically without starting a nuclear war. Hopefully NK will cool on it with a nudge or two.
 
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Ban-jani said:
He created it to put his foot down and then has allowed cooling talks, it’s obviously worked.

The US are pushing for 2020 as a date for them to have gone, breaking news today.

However as I’ve just said to SWP, I think they’ll allow them to keep the weapons but use them as an ally.

The murdering and torturing part is horrific. However I’m not sure Trump could have done anything about it realistically without starting a nuclear war. Hopefully NK will cool on it with a nudge or two.
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The fact that the US are pushing for 2020 means absolutely nothing other than Kim and Trump will both tell a few lies in 2020 to make out everything’s on track.
There are three things Trump has achieved other than a photo op for himself.
1) Kim has secured his position as leader of NK, sanctions will be eased and nothing will change for the population. He will still have his nukes and nothing will change that.
2) China’s influence in the region will increase following Trump’s pledge to reduce military collaboration with SK. Japan and SK will feel less secure.
3) Russia are sitting on the sidelines watching the western alliance weakening and watching Trump align himself with various authoritarian regimes including themselves. Russia will be emboldened and are likely to step things up in Ukraine and if they see cracks in NATO, the Baltic states could be at risk.
 
Homar said:
What utter rubbish. A country that killed hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan at a lower estimate and millions at an upper estimate. Operates torture camps that operate outside of the law. Uses depleted uranium shells, causing large number of birth defects that will affect generations of people. Commits regularly extra-judicial murder by unmanned drone. Committed the only act of nuclear terrorism to date. Attempted countless coups and assassinations. Continues to support a genocide in Yemen. Continues to support Israel and its radical right-wing policies that deny the Palestinians their most basic human rights. Has an intelligence and military service willing to murder its own people in order to create a casus belli. Trump's saving grace is that he is finally causing Europe to see the US for what it is. Driving force behind peace and prosperity my backside.
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Yep. It’s a cold, cruel world out there!
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve read this post three times now and still don’t know what your point is, other than asking what he’s done, which is pretty obvious.

You don’t need me to tell you that de-escalating a stand off that raised concerns over nuclear war, and pushing a rogue state towards denuclearisation, is a good thing.

Tell me, aside from what’s happened, what would have been your policy?
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Ah yes, the old “I have no clue what’s going on, so you tell me on this Internet forum how to fix one of the most intractable problems in the world.”

Let me get back to you in 2020.
 
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