Donald Trump

[SWP's back]

If you lot get your wishes, you'll get Pence.

My wishes is that they both pass due to an horrific but localised yachting accident.

 

[aguero93:20]

My wishes is that they boat pass due to an horrific but localised yachting accident.

They could both die of blood loss after being 'defiled' by an escaped Grizzly bear.

 

[Ban-jani]

The fact that the US are pushing for 2020 means absolutely nothing other than Kim and Trump will both tell a few lies in 2020 to make out everything’s on track.
There are three things Trump has achieved other than a photo op for himself.
1) Kim has secured his position as leader of NK, sanctions will be eased and nothing will change for the population. He will still have his nukes and nothing will change that.
2) China’s influence in the region will increase following Trump’s pledge to reduce military collaboration with SK. Japan and SK will feel less secure.
3) Russia are sitting on the sidelines watching the western alliance weakening and watching Trump align himself with various authoritarian regimes including themselves. Russia will be emboldened and are likely to step things up in Ukraine and if they see cracks in NATO, the Baltic states could be at risk.

All three points are speculative and whilst I understand how you’ve came to the ideas and agree all can happen there’s a question I have...

2. could be just as big a piece of bullshit as 1., why is Trump’s pledge any more realistic than Kim’s? They could both be telling the truth or both lying.

3. I think you’ve definitely got a point. Another of the few things the arsehole has got right was the chemical weapons factory bombing, with us and France. We need to show strength and draw a line with Putin or he will go for a land grab.

 

[BobKowalski]

He created it to put his foot down and then has allowed cooling talks, it’s obviously worked.

The US are pushing for 2020 as a date for them to have gone, breaking news today.

However as I’ve just said to SWP, I think they’ll allow them to keep the weapons but use them as an ally.

The murdering and torturing part is horrific. However I’m not sure Trump could have done anything about it realistically without starting a nuclear war. Hopefully NK will cool on it with a nudge or two.

I thought the aim was for a major reduction by 2020 not disarmament. Also Kim nixed the verification element in the document they signed and when asked about verification the Sec of State threw a hissy fit. There is no agreed verification process and it will take months if not years of negotiations to agree a verification process acceptable to both sides and that’s before any actual verifying is done. This is why you don’t give your opponent what he wants until you have thrashed out and agreed all the boring details beforehand.

And then he gets trolled into saluting a NK General. Kim must be pissing himself at how easy it was.

 

[Ban-jani]

Ah yes, the old “I have no clue what’s going on, so you tell me on this Internet forum how to fix one of the most intractable problems in the world.”

Let me get back to you in 2020.

Ha, what a cop out of a post.

You seemed to have an answer to how it shouldn’t have been handled so come on, let’s here how you think it should be...

 

[west didsblue]

All three points are speculative and whilst I understand how you’ve came to the ideas and agree all can happen there’s a question I have...

2. could be just as big a piece of bullshit as 1., why is Trump’s pledge any more realistic than Kim’s? They could both be telling the truth or both lying.

3. I think you’ve definitely got a point. Another of the few things the arsehole has got right was the chemical weapons factory bombing, with us and France. We need to show strength and draw a line with Putin or he will go for a land grab.

Why would Trump and Kim suddenly start telling the truth? Neither have a track record of being honest about anything. Unfortunately there’s plenty of gullible people around to give him credit he doesn’t deserve. Bottom line is Trump had a personal victory but the consequence was a huge loss for the western world.

 

[Ban-jani]

Why would Trump and Kim suddenly start telling the truth? Neither have a track record of being honest about anything. Unfortunately there’s plenty of gullible people around to give him credit he doesn’t deserve. Bottom line is Trump had a personal victory but the consequence was a huge loss for the western world.

They wouldn’t but you’ve missed my point, on your point, that Trump could easily lie like Kim.

Yes there are you’re right, I hope you don’t mean me though. I seldom give him credit, only have done on a couple of occasions.

There are people who wouldn’t give him credit for anything, even if he made a master stroke (not that I mean this is necessarily) they’d still say the opposite.

I disagree on your last point, it’s far too early to tell.

 

[Scottyboi]

The fact that the US are pushing for 2020 means absolutely nothing other than Kim and Trump will both tell a few lies in 2020 to make out everything’s on track.
There are three things Trump has achieved other than a photo op for himself.
1) Kim has secured his position as leader of NK, sanctions will be eased and nothing will change for the population. He will still have his nukes and nothing will change that.
2) China’s influence in the region will increase following Trump’s pledge to reduce military collaboration with SK. Japan and SK will feel less secure.
3) Russia are sitting on the sidelines watching the western alliance weakening and watching Trump align himself with various authoritarian regimes including themselves. Russia will be emboldened and are likely to step things up in Ukraine and if they see cracks in NATO, the Baltic states could be at risk.

You reckon them disputed islands around Japan could flare up more because of it? Trump is weakening the west more and more each month.

 

[Ban-jani]

I thought the aim was for a major reduction by 2020 not disarmament. Also Kim nixed the verification element in the document they signed and when asked about verification the Sec of State threw a hissy fit. There is no agreed verification process and it will take months if not years of negotiations to agree a verification process acceptable to both sides and that’s before any actual verifying is done. This is why you don’t give your opponent what he wants until you have thrashed out and agreed all the boring details beforehand.

And then he gets trolled into saluting a NK General. Kim must be pissing himself at how easy it was.

There’s something more to it.

Trump doesn’t want them to disarm I don’t think, he’s wants them as an ally.

 

[west didsblue]

They wouldn’t but you’ve missed my point, on your point, that Trump could easily lie like Kim.

Yes there are you’re right, I hope you don’t mean me though. I seldom give him credit, only have done on a couple of occasions.

There are people who wouldn’t give him credit for anything, even if he made a master stroke (not that I mean this is necessarily) they’d still say the opposite.

I disagree on your last point, it’s far too early to tell.

The point I’m making is that even if his own administration say that there’s no progress, Trump would happily contradict them if it makes him look good to his base. I don’t generally mean you when I’m referring to people being gullible but I honestly think in this case you’re potentially giving him the benefit of the doubt when if you look at the facts of what’s actually been agreed and his track record of lies and hypocrisy, he doesn’t deserve.