Donald Trump

[SWP's back]

So you don’t believe it’s easier to blame a bogeyman and you don’t believe that mountains of fake news was shared for that very purpose?

You also disagree that Trump used such emotive subjects to mobilise people to vote for him?

So no view on these then @Damocles ?

 

[SWP's back]

Firstly, you're equating education with intelligence and that's fallacious, especially in a country with an educational system in the US.

By fallacious, I take it you mean accurate:

“On page 63 of Charles Murray’s book Coming Apart, he displays data on the mean IQ’s of people with various education levels, as of age 25. Although the data is only for white Americans, the white IQ distribution is fairly similar to that of Americans as a whole. He shows data for both 1982-1989 and 2005-2009. Since the data is virtually identical for both eras, I’ll describe the more recent stats:

White Americans with no degree (about 10 years of completed education?): Average IQ 87

White Americans with high school diploma/GED (about 12 years education?): Average IQ 99

White Americans with an Associate degree (about 14 years education?): Average IQ 104

White Americans with a Bachelor’s degree (about 16 years education?): Average IQ 113

White Americans with a Master’s degree (about 18 years education?): Average IQ 117

White Americans with PhD, LLD, MD, DDS (about 20 years education?): Average IQ 124”

 

[SWP's back]

Also I'm not sure that the "rural = probably racist" idea is really that solid a base. I know you made some caveats there but it IS one of the foundations of your point about being data driven. It's just a stereotype on top of a stereotype.

Stereotypes are often generalisations based on truth though.

Let’s look at the slave states:

Now the rural states:

Now let’s look at the 2016 election map:

So it’s fair to say that the historically more racist, god fearing (ha), less well educated states voted for Trump. So far no argument?

Now let’s look at whether rural communities are more likely to be racist. The fact is we don’t know, but we do know they distrust immigrants (decent article to read as a whole)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...no-name:homepage/story&utm_term=.28bab1ecdc75

And they believe the fake news Facebook told them about immigrants:

““They’re not paying taxes like Americans are. They’re getting stuff handed to them,” said Larry E. Redding, a retired canning factory employee in Arendtsville, Pa. “Free rent, and they’re driving better vehicles than I’m driving and everything else.””

And a follow up on race, also interesting:

http://wapo.st/2rFZ5qx

But you’re simply going to retort saying it’s unfair to ever label a group people as one thing and whilst that may have some merit at some times, it makes discussions on Trump’s success rather moot, which is your goal I suppose.

Having said that, yeah, if I had to put my mortgage on an average Trump voter being less intelligent and more likely to be racist than someone not voting or voting Democrat in 2016, I would. Would you do the reverse or would you believe there’s be not enough statistical significance either way?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

As Brexit showed, it’s easier to make fake news to scare people into voting against something than it is to make fake news to give people hope.

One decides on a bogey man (immigrants, Mexicans, Muslims) and tell everyone that they are the reason that the reader is poor and stupid and unsafe.

This is a well-worn trope used in far, far more activities than just politics, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that some on the left side of the aisle do the same thing and use the word "Republicans." And so it goes.

For months I have tried to say the same thing -- this isn't about politics for me, it's the about the man himself.

I will repeat what I have said before -- I fail to understand how anyone, having done their homework on this man, with 25+ years of evidence, all easily accessible, could have thought he was fit to be President, regardless of his politics.

Again, they either didn't do their homework -- which might make them stupid, or lazy, or might not -- or they didn't care.

 

[arfurclue]

Coming across an idea of 'living life from the inside out,' which may give a different context here. From this, there may be an hypothesis that 'outside-in' is primarily about reacting to outer circumstances, whereas 'inside-out' is primarily about responding from an inner state of being. Perhaps it could be suggested that in a reactive relationship, one side will tend towards passivity, the other dominance. In responsive relationship both sides are engaged in mutual communication - a flow of giving and receiving. In this way it might be said that Trump supporters are the passive to Trump's dominant (he is the master - THE source of Truth), from this Trump supporters try to be the dominant, making non-Trumpistas passive (owning the libs). Beyond this, I wonder if this whole situation may come to be a catalyst for a change from reactionary, 'populist' politics to a responsible, mutually beneficial politics? Or maybe not...

 

[roj]

Sarah Hucks on fire, your press corps is terrified...



Yes @mat , that's me at 2.15

 

[mat]

Sarah Hucks on fire, your press corps is terrified...



Yes @mat , that's me at 2.15

You got it bad...

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Just shows what a horrible, vindictive piece of s**t Trump is.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

In America, this is termed a "fucking douchebag maneuver".

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/flags-at-white-house-back-at-full-staff-after-mccains-death.html

 

[idahoblues]

This is a well-worn trope used in far, far more activities than just politics, but I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that some on the left side of the aisle do the same thing and use the word "Republicans." And so it goes.

For months I have tried to say the same thing -- this isn't about politics for me, it's the about the man himself.

I will repeat what I have said before -- I fail to understand how anyone, having done their homework on this man, with 25+ years of evidence, all easily accessible, could have thought he was fit to be President, regardless of his politics.

Again, they either didn't do their homework -- which might make them stupid, or lazy, or might not -- or they didn't care.

Whenever I talk with Trump voters, they all claim that they hate the republican party as much as those damn liberal bastards. There is nothing he says or does that they see in a negative light, brainwashed.