Donald Trump

[ChicagoBlue]

I suspect it is more about increasing his personal worth. I don't think he even understands the consequences, let alone cares.

It seems everything he does is about his next deal or tax scam, even down to his policy decisions.

He has done nothing to disavow this impression, and does much to promote it. The investigation into the emoluments clause of the Constitution, which is OBVIOUSLY being violated will go nowhere with Republicans in power, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening OPENLY AND BRAZENLY! Even financial documents show that Crown Pence of Saudi Arabia turned a bad year into a good year at one of Trumps major hotels...and all with his entourage, because ztrumps rooms didn’t meet his own personal requirements.

The Washington Post Office deal is ridiculous. Bought for peanuts, turned into Trump Washington steps from the White House, and almost WHOLLY revenue driven by foreign governments and government entities seeking to do business in America!!!

Or, look at the recent Tax Cut bill, with special carve outs for real estate developers! Borrow other peoples money, depreciate any real estate against your own taxes, and never pay off the loans and never pay taxes! The only difference between Trump, Jared and Jared’s father is that Jared’s father got caught doing it and the Deds actually did something about it and sent him to jail...but not before he transferred all his wealth (without paying taxes, of course) to Jared, who was barely out of diapers! Trump making $200,000 a year as a 3 year old?!

Tax evasion was ripe, but they all had good lawyers and it was “shady” law, because it is potentially defensible to argue the value of real estate, but it was egregious values that look completely suspicious (like transfers at 20% of actual value) and, it is estimated, saved Trimps father over $450M in taxes he avoided by spreading the assets out to the kids at ridiculous values.

He is a criminal. Just unindicted and as yet unconvicted. That doesn’t make any less of a criminal than Al Capone was before he got done for tax evasion!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

He has done nothing to disavow this impression, and does much to promote it. The investigation into the emoluments clause of the Constitution, which is OBVIOUSLY being violated will go nowhere with Republicans in power, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening OPENLY AND BRAZENLY! Even financial documents show that Crown Pence of Saudi Arabia turned a bad year into a good year at one of Trumps major hotels...and all with his entourage, because ztrumps rooms didn’t meet his own personal requirements.

The Washington Post Office deal is ridiculous. Bought for peanuts, turned into Trump Washington steps from the White House, and almost WHOLLY revenue driven by foreign governments and government entities seeking to do business in America!!!

Or, look at the recent Tax Cut bill, with special carve outs for real estate developers! Borrow other peoples money, depreciate any real estate against your own taxes, and never pay off the loans and never pay taxes! The only difference between Trump, Jared and Jared’s father is that Jared’s father got caught doing it and the Deds actually did something about it and sent him to jail...but not before he transferred all his wealth (without paying taxes, of course) to Jared, who was barely out of diapers! Trump making $200,000 a year as a 3 year old?!

Tax evasion was ripe, but they all had good lawyers and it was “shady” law, because it is potentially defensible to argue the value of real estate, but it was egregious values that look completely suspicious (like transfers at 20% of actual value) and, it is estimated, saved Trimps father over $450M in taxes he avoided by spreading the assets out to the kids at ridiculous values.

He is a criminal. Just unindicted and as yet unconvicted. That doesn’t make any less of a criminal than Al Capone was before he got done for tax evasion!

The whole Supreme Court saga came to the fore when Kavanaugh proclaimed that in his opinion a sitting POTUS should not be subject to the same criminal process as a "normal" citizen, and all of a sudden he was top pick.

Getting him voted on to the court would mean Trump would be free to cary on with his criminal activities whilst in power and simultaneously covering his arse for when he leaves office; it really is that transparent.

Purely selfish.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I suspect it is more about increasing his personal worth. I don't think he even understands the consequences, let alone cares.

It seems everything he does is about his next deal or tax scam, even down to his policy decisions.

As a real estate developer (i.e. an employer of construction workers), golf course owner and hotelier, sharply curtailing immigration is probably harmful to his business as it is for others I know in all three fields. Of course his brand may be enhanced so demand may increase while costs go up, although there is some evidence that the opposite has occurred in terms of demand.

So again, I am wont to describe his motives as purely personal. This is what happens when you don't trust a guy -- you really don't know his motives. To me, that's the central problem.

Having been on both the positive and negative ends of nepotism (or, rather, nepotistic influence) in my life, I do have a certain distaste for the appointment of family members to posts almost certainly better-filled by more qualified people though. I probably would have looked askance at Kennedy appointing his brother as AG too.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

As a real estate developer (i.e. an employer of construction workers), golf course owner and hotelier, sharply curtailing immigration is probably harmful to his business as it is for others I know in all three fields. Of course his brand may be enhanced so demand may increase while costs go up, although there is some evidence that the opposite has occurred in terms of demand.

So again, I am wont to describe his motives as purely personal. This is what happens when you don't trust a guy -- you really don't know his motives. To me, that's the central problem.

Having been on both the positive and negative ends of nepotism (or, rather, nepotistic influence) in my life, I do have a certain distaste for the appointment of family members to posts almost certainly better-filled by more qualified people though.

He's certainly using the office of the POTUS to enhance the Trump brand. I thought that wasn't allowed, but it seems the Don doesn't give a f*ck.

 

[Damocles]

You come across as someone that has a fantasy image of yourself, yet lacks the awareness to realise that holding onto this will cause you to experience yourself as weaker than
you truly are. From this weakness you will then try to project an image of strength so as to compensate. But this will feel kinda hollow. And, this might sound weird for you, but if you chose to drop the bullshit and open to knowing genuine empowerment within yourself then I, for one, would find this wonderful. If you want to carry on trying to sell
an image of strength then that's up to you but I won't buy it. Neither will many others by the looks of things.

Beyond this, there seems a general acknowledgment on this thread that there are many folks that feel disenfranchised within the political system. Why is it such a bad thing
to suggest a way in which folks come to feel empowered before they cast their vote, rather than rely on the promises of a so-called strong man?'

As for Trump, if I felt like he became someone that brought genuine empowerment then I'd be like 'wow, wonderful' - so much good could come from this. Might even open a space
for people to enter the political field that otherwise wouldn't be able to due to less than 'saintly' backgrounds. I have no problem with that - sometimes those that fuck up are those that have a lot to offer. Having said that, I don't feel that he is any different from the guy that spoke of grabbing women's pussies. And I don't see that as a hallmark of a genuinely empowered - and empowering - man. More like a weak man that tries to prove his 'strength' by forcing himself upon women. Call this machismo if you want. On the flip side of this coin can be found men that are more neutered than neutral. Emasculated, if you want. Not so much fun, right? Beyond that is the suggestion of empowered men - a way that is enjoyable, truly responsible yet requires humility...not so much your strengths from the what and how you have written?

Anyhow go find a gif, believe that it is others that lack true rationality in this conversation...and I'll just wait patiently until you fall over your own cleverness...as that is what you will bring about for yourself - it is only a matter of when.

Jesus Christ, you are so dumb.

 

[Damocles]

Yes I and everyone else knew all that. It was doscussed at the time so I have to break it to you that you’re not some amazing finder of truth. They were on a list made by the Obama administration but they weren’t banned from entering.

I could have you on a list of people I think are intellectually fraudulent wums on this thread so I keep an eye on you. That’s fine. If the next poster finds that list and decides to have you and blueincy shot for it, that’s doesnt make me a co-conspirator.

Right so we're in agreement that Trump wasn't targeting "immigrants" but "immigrants from states that sponsor terrorism".

Good. Now explain why that means he hates immigrants.

Oh and I've said this numerous times now. When you lot start talking so will I. As long as you're shitposting so am I.

 

[Damocles]

As a real estate developer (i.e. an employer of construction workers), golf course owner and hotelier, sharply curtailing immigration is probably harmful to his business as it is for others I know in all three fields. Of course his brand may be enhanced so demand may increase while costs go up, although there is some evidence that the opposite has occurred in terms of demand.

So again, I am wont to describe his motives as purely personal. This is what happens when you don't trust a guy -- you really don't know his motives. To me, that's the central problem.

Having been on both the positive and negative ends of nepotism (or, rather, nepotistic influence) in my life, I do have a certain distaste for the appointment of family members to posts almost certainly better-filled by more qualified people though. I probably would have looked askance at Kennedy appointing his brother as AG too.

But there's the key mistake. You don't know ANY politicians motives. You just presume you do based on the media image and whatever you can remember about things they've said in the past. For all you know, Obama might have wanted to be President because he really hates brown people and wanted to bomb a ton of them. Probably not, but you have no idea. Unless you happen to personally know a President then you've got no way of actually knowing.

This is the difference. I don't claim to know Trumps character or "real agenda". I don't claim to know anything unknowable. Everything that he says is taken in good faith and judged on its merits or failures without prejudice.

You self admittedly START with the idea that whatever he's doing is "bad". That's in no way a rational or decent position to take. That's an incredibly partisan mindset for a start, and secondly, you will constantly find exactly what you're looking for because people always do. If you want to find evidence that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim ISIS member then you will.

That's the basis of scientific thought for about 1000 years or so. It's why you start in the middle and not already declare to one side.

 

[Damocles]

Don't misquote me, it's bad form, I said "mostly"!

Are you suggesting...

Lol

 

[Damocles]

I suspect he had no input into that speech.

I'm shocked that a good speech from Trump is considered in this thread to be unlikely from him entirely because it was good.

Shocked !

 

[Damocles]

Haha. If THAT is all you’ve got left, I guess we have come to the end of your submissions to this thread!

What a sad joke! You have really let yourself down.

Not as let down as you were when Kavanaugh was passed though. Trump CANT. STOP. WINNING.

Winds you up. Makes me laugh.