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SebastianBlue said:
Anyway, now that I have that response out to Dax, I am going to move on, as I don’t feel like spending my birthday arguing.

I’m 36 today, and already have other things sapping me of my energy, I don’t need a row with a Trump-apologist further using the limited reserves I have left.

I hope everyone has a splendid, Trump-free weekend.
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Happy birthday fella.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Fucking hell, that's a big steak.




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SebastianBlue said:
He has merely ridden the economic upturn wave that was swelling under Obama, due to many of the early policies that admin enacted — very little apart from the stock market performance (the market is not the economy) since his election (as that is largely down to the response to his deregulating everything in sight and passing disastrous wealth distribution reform, aka tax reform) is really due to anything he has done. And there is quite a bit of evidence that his weight has actually kept the height of that wave from rising via serious policy missteps and the various trade wars he has started. That’s not even mentioning his deference to special interest and industry groups, which extend to appointing industry leaders to the top government regulatory roles (akin to appointing COVID-19 to manage the response to the pandemic), which has further compounded corporate control of government fiscal policy and weakened labour rights and influence.

And nearly everything he has done to date has created significant mid- to long-term fiscal issues for the US, including being even *more* poorly placed to respond to the inevitable economic downturn coming.

Nearly all of the credit he receives for the economy is misplaced, if not dangerously so, as it is based on a truly maddening misunderstanding of both current and future economic conditions and the short-term influence of the executive admin on the economy. Many Americans see the stock market as being the economy (which, again, cannot be further from the truth) and ignore completely all other factors and nuances (like the low simple unemployment rate being exceedingly misleading as a indicator for actual overall economic health), which is why Trump is putting market performance over public health with his COVID-19 outbreak response. He knows that if it continues to degrade, he will be held responsible, so everything else is not important — just keep the markets from crashing before the election, even if it ultimately leads to horrific economic outcomes after the election and/or horrible public health outcomes before.
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That all seems perfectly reasonable but will it translate to voters? They will see an upturn in their lot and Trump is at the helm. The democrats should, imo, be hammering this stuff like there is no tomorrow.

Personally i think media like msnbc and others have shot themselves in the foot. The ranting rhetoric that basically is "Trump is bad" was so loud with people like Maddow sure he would be booted out of office for xyz never happened which made them look a bit loopy. So now people simply don't really believe them or even listen to them, it seems they lost credibility somewhat. The static left and right will stay where they are but i think it affected swinging voters/centrists and will in general push them towards Trump unless something severe happens.

If the left, such as it is, were more considered in their media/news people would give them more credit. When you see people like Maddow basically crying on air with rage and dissapointment it doesn't translate very well to viewers, imo. Many simply won't tune in now even if the reporting was based on facts with no agenda from the company in question. I don't know the viewing figures but i would assume that outlets like Fox news will have bigger viewerships than those who were not just left leaning but left in an almost unprofesional manor. Thus it will be Fox who get their message out loudest and clearest to the most pairs of ears.
 
TCIB said:
That all seems perfectly reasonable but will it translate to voters? They will see an upturn in their lot and Trump is at the helm. The democrats should, imo, be hammering this stuff like there is no tomorrow.

Personally i think media like msnbc and others have shot themselves in the foot. The ranting rhetoric that basically is "Trump is bad" was so loud with people like Maddow sure he would be booted out of office for xyz never happened which made them look a bit loopy. So now people simply don't really believe them or even listen to them, it seems they lost credibility somewhat. The static left and right will stay where they are but i think it affected swinging voters/centrists and will in general push them towards Trump unless something severe happens.

If the left, such as it is, were more considered in their media/news people would give them more credit. When you see people like Maddow basically crying on air with rage and dissapointment it doesn't translate very well to viewers, imo. Many simply won't tune in now even if the reporting was based on facts with no agenda from the company in question. I don't know the viewing figures but i would assume that outlets like Fox news will have bigger viewerships than those who were not just left leaning but left in an almost unprofesional manor. Thus it will be Fox who get their message out loudest and clearest to the most pairs of ears.
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Posts like this are always interesting to me. First off, can someone please tell me where to find 100% verifiably un-agendaized news? I mean 100% impartial. Don't you think we're all owed that? Wouldn't there be a massive audience for it? Like I read The Economist. Leftists told me it was conservative forever, until the editors reacted to Trump with utter horror, then conservatives claimed it was leftist.

So anyone who uses the term "MSM" and moans about the biased state of the news, please help a brother out.

Oh. I see. We can't ensure this 100% guarantee. So what do we do?

And just FYI, if you're interested in something severe happening, I suggest you check out the COVID-19 thread. Might have a contender there.
 
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