Democrats are going to oppose them no matter what. The issue I'm seeing right now is that every time you give the conservatives a concession the moderate Republicans get scared off. Trump doesn't want this to drag on until next year.Put it this way; instead of having a decent debate on health care and finding a cross party solution that the populace will go with as a majority, they're trying to jam this through in under 3 months.
Obama debated almost 9 months before demanding a vote!!
So!! Devin Nunes, of the House Intelligence Committee, has said Trump's communications were "inadvertently" caught up in investigations.
Trump, now, feels 'vindicated'!
Talk about Nunes trying to save face for his boss!
Democrats are going to oppose them no matter what. The issue I'm seeing right now is that every time you give the conservatives a concession the moderate Republicans get scared off. Trump doesn't want this to drag on until next year.
We will have lots and lots of winning, we were losing too much. representatives who did not vote for repeal will have lost not Trump.Did he lose the vote?
Yes one should be ready to walk away from the table. That is lesson 101 of Art of a deal.Vote was scheduled for yesterday, got postponed after clear opposition from Freedom Caucus. Vote scheduled for today, yet still Ryan doesn't have enough votes. Trump apparently is over with it and whatever happens today happens.
It's a fight between conservatives and moderates. Conservatives haven't realized yet that Trump is a moderate. The conservatives want social benefits cut from the bill yet moderates worry that, while that may cut costs, it will prove deeply unpopular with the vast public who will be affected by it. The CBO report already states that the current bill will reduce premiums in the future, which the conservatives seem to be ignoring. When you see some of the changes the HHS secretary will propose and the other separate bills Congress will try to pass through like the ability to buy insurance across state lines, premiums will undoubtedly go down. Also within those bills Trump will propose to reduce drug prices. I don't think premiums are the problem here, it's a battle of ideology.It's not the Dems that matter here. They are in the minority.
The problem, it seems, is that the problems that afflicted the ACA have not been addressed under this current format.
The Republican Senators, who would have just pushed it through normally, are facing voters who woke the fook up.
It was nothing to do with Brexit. That's what you had in mind in the Trump thread. I was talking about the idea that democracy (with a "fair" election) is always the best thing / always produces the best result. It's nonsense - what's a "fair" system? The electoral college? Gerrymandered constituencies (by Republicans of Republicans for Republicans)? First past the post (100% of the power from a mandate of 25% of the electorate)? Elections decided in a few marginal constituencies? Chads in Florida? Russian interference?Not sure how any of the above can be compared to the voting democracy in the recent referendum though, which was the topic of discussion at the time.
I've not heard anybody suggest that the referendum outcome was reached with a minority vote, and as far as I'm aware nobody was forced into voting for a specific outcome against their will. Democracy relies on being administered fairly, but if offered with a gun to ones head it fails to remain democracy.
Put it this way; instead of having a decent debate on health care and finding a cross party solution that the populace will go with as a majority, they're trying to jam this through in under 3 months.
Obama debated almost 9 months before demanding a vote!!
It's a fight between conservatives and moderates. Conservatives haven't realized yet that Trump is a moderate. The conservatives want social benefits cut from the bill yet moderates worry that, while that may cut costs, it will prove deeply unpopular with the vast public who will be affected by it. The CBO report already states that the current bill will reduce premiums in the future, which the conservatives seem to be ignoring. When you see some of the changes the HHS secretary will propose and the other separate bills Congress will try to pass through like the ability to buy insurance across state lines, premiums will undoubtedly go down. Also within those bills Trump will propose to reduce drug prices. I don't think premiums are the problem here, it's a battle of ideology.
Eventually I see all sides coming to an agreement but they will let this drag.