Donald Trump

[SWP's back]

Then maybe they should get better parents?

Getting parents on the secondhand market can be very dodgy.

I saw a Sugar Daddy advertise on Gum Tree and when I called the number it was very much not what I was expecting.

 

[Damocles]

Getting parents on the secondhand market can be very dodgy.

I saw a Sugar Daddy advertise on Gum Tree and when I called the number it was very much not what I was expecting.

Hope you brushed your teeth afterwards.

 

[Matty]

When people opt to put themselves in a position of influence In the public eye they should do so with a certain amount of morals or accept that some folk might disagree. Otherwise children grow up thinking pussies can be grabbed and anything I do at uni doesn’t matter.

NOTHING you do at uni matters.

 

[Pedestrian]

Classic Donald.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Of course not, but I believe he has the right to say whatever the hell he wants. Saying someone is a knob for saying something and saying they don't have the right to are different things.

I agree with you completely, but when you say "of course not" I am not sure I believe you. I think you do actually think it's becoming and logical for a President (any, not just this one) to say such things as long as it works to advance, further or underscore the agenda/platform he was elected upon. I think that's also where the crossed wires come with folks mistaking you for a supporter of his or his politics.

 

[west didsblue]

Of course not, but I believe he has the right to say whatever the hell he wants. Saying someone is a knob for saying something and saying they don't have the right to are different things.

And everyone else has the right to call him out for it.

 

[Pedestrian]

Not according to trump.

 

[Pedestrian]

Anyone who challenges him gets the treatment.

 

[Damocles]

And everyone else has the right to call him out for it.

Never argued otherwise.

 

[Damocles]

I agree with you completely, but when you say "of course not" I am not sure I believe you. I think you do actually think it's becoming and logical for a President (any, not just this one) to say such things as long as it works to advance, further or underscore the agenda/platform he was elected upon. I think that's also where the crossed wires come with folks mistaking you for a supporter of his or his politics.

Perhaps. A better way of phrasing this is that I don't hold the reverence of office that many others do. Though I acknowledge that others do and they expect people to behave to a certain template and that's a perfectly reasonable position. Social trust is an important part of politics.

I think the POTUS should probably do whatever he can to get the agenda he was elected on pushed through. I'm just not sure how this specific incident can be justified with that.

Personally, I wouldn't care if the leader of the country danced a merry jig naked on the White House lawn covered in duck fat if it helped them express the will of the people which is what their job actually is.

Obviously there's a leadership aspect to this too, the "will of the people" is complicated and can't adjust to every possible situation so you have to do what's best for the country as a whole wherever possible. But if the choice comes down to what you think is right and what the people voted for, then you do what the people have voted for because we're the people who are meant to be deciding all of this stuff rather than one or two people in Westminster or Washington.

Democracy is the most sacred and the most delicate of all the institutions we have but also the most liberating. It requires constant protection from me, you, and everybody else.

 

[west didsblue]

Democracy is the most sacred and the most delicate of all the institutions we have but also the most liberating. It requires constant protection from me, you, and everybody else.

From people like Trump who seem to be doing their best to subvert it.

 

[Damocles]

And Trump.

And I don't see any evidence that he's subverting the democracy.

He's being a dick at times, but he's not doing anything that is rupturing the legal or political systems of the US. It's not like he's abolished Congress.

 

[west didsblue]

And I don't see any evidence that he's subverting the democracy.

He's being a dick at times, but he's not doing anything that is rupturing the legal or political systems of the US. It's not like he's abolished Congress.

How about seeking personal loyalty from his closest aides ahead of expecting them to uphold the constitution?

How about attempting to install a judge to the supreme court on the basis that he previously said that a sitting President shouldn't be indicted and who has shown himself to be a liar under oath?

How about colluding with a foreign power to affect the election result (if proven)?

How about his attempts to use the legal system as a tool against his political enemies?

I'm sure there's plenty more I could add.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm sure there's plenty more I could add.

Worth noting he’s also a cûnt.

 

[west didsblue]

Worth noting he’s also a cûnt.

That goes without saying.

 

[Damocles]

How about seeking personal loyalty from his closest aides ahead of expecting them to uphold the constitution?

All leaders seek loyalty and quid pro quo from their underlings. It's what allows them to be leaders in the first place. And there's no evidence he's done so at the expense of the Constitution.

How about attempting to install a judge to the supreme court on the basis that he previously said that a sitting President shouldn't be indicted and who has shown himself to be a liar under oath?

There's no evidence that either of those things are true. BK is a highly respected legal scholar and has been for 20 years.

How about colluding with a foreign power to affect the election result (if proven)?

Then we'll talk once that is proven. Until then he hasn't done anything wrong. If we are going to go down the list of things that he hasn't done wrong but MIGHT have done possibly, maybe, then I fear we could be in for some long posts.

How about his attempts to use the legal system as a tool against his political enemies?

There's no evidence that he has done this.

 

[west didsblue]

All leaders seek loyalty and quid pro quo from their underlings. It's what allows them to be leaders in the first place. And there's no evidence he's done so at the expense of the Constitution.

He has regularly complained that Jeff Sessions hasn't protected him. James Comey has said under oath that his request for loyalty was in conflict with the law. There are numerous tweets and comments from him about this.

There's no evidence that either of those things are true. BK is a highly respected legal scholar and has been for 20 years.

We've all seen Kavanaugh's performance in front of the Senate panel. There's plenty of evidence that he's been lying about some aspects of his behaviour from several witnesses. Obviously no proof yet but he hasn't been up in court.

Then we'll talk once that is proven. Until then he hasn't done anything wrong. If we are going to go down the list of things that he hasn't done wrong but MIGHT have done possibly, maybe, then I fear we could be in for some long posts.

Yep, no proof, but no shortage of incriminating evidence.

There's no evidence that he has done this.

There have been numerous occasions when he's suggested that the FBI investigate his political enemies. The fact that it's gone nowhere doesn't mean he hasn't tried. Search his twitter feed and you'll find plenty of examples. You might be surprised.

 

[Mike D]

So he's not entitled to free speech? That's your point?

This has nothing to do with his entitlement of free which he is like any other US citizen. Here's what some of his key republican supporters are saying

“I wish he hadn’t of done it and I just say it’s kind of appalling,” Senator Jeff Flake, a Republican from Arizona, said in an interview with NBC on Wednesday.

“There is no time and no place for remarks like that, but to discuss something this sensitive at a political rally is just not right.”

And Republican swing vote Susan Collins of Maine also rebuked Trump, telling reporters on Capitol Hill: “The president’s comments were just plain wrong.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/03/donald-trump-republicans-christine-blasey-ford

He might just have well and truly blown it for his bit being an absolute vile nasty dick.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

BK is a highly respected legal scholar and has been for 20 years.

Harold Shipman was a highly respected doctor. What's your point?

Also, aside from the sexual assault allegations, there is also the issue of the vast amount of Kavenaugh documents that the GOP still refuse to release. If there is nothing shady or partisan about his past, why withhold documents?

 

[BlueNomad]

If there was nothing to see here, then Republicans would let us see everything. Considering how hard they are working to avoid any form of investigation and transparency, it appears obvious to even the most casual observer that there is clearly much to hide...much like the man who nominated him!!!