Donald Trump

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

No matter what debate or conversation you're in, writing a comment about how you can't be bothered to read the other person's comment is the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOU".

Read it and reply, or don't reply.

Fair enough, you are quite right. Apologies.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Leave him be. People who write stuff like that are essentially waving at the forum saying "I'm only here to preach". Comments like that just discredit anything else he's saying.

No youre right, Im sorry about that honestly. That was rude and out of order, didnt mean any offence.

 

[Wilf Wild 1937]

Online petitions were not available in those days. Comparing Trump and what he is doing to other people and events in the way you have just done seeks to deflect from the appalling things he is doing and why, or to try and lessen what he is doing. A million people are right to be so upset. Do you approve of what he has done over the weekend with this travel ban business?

I don't approve of what he has done with the travel ban. Banning green card holders and people with valid visas is ridiculous. I actually do think his allocation of seats at the National Security Council is even more bizarre and disturbing though. All in all he's had a bad weekend. No doubt about that. Here in the UK though governments have a long tradition of inviting appalling people over for state visits because its "in the national interest". Trump is no where near the worst which ever way you cut it.

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

No youre right, Im sorry about that honestly. That was rude and out of order, didnt mean any offence.

fair enough. We've all been guilty of it, but usually it's me doing it to domalino in tactical threads :)

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

fair enough. We've all been guilty of it, but usually it's me doing it to domalino in tactical threads :)

Cheers. What I should have said was, Trump is doing increasingly awful things and then just saying that the media is crooked and not reporting it properly, and this is a tactic to get in first and thereby discredit any dissenting voices. Sorry again for being curt, not cool

 

[kas_tippler]

One person in sixty-four from the population of the UK sign a petition, hardly a ground swell.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

One person in sixty-four from the population of the UK sign a petition, hardly a ground swell.

if its like other petitions. you can sign the same petition as many times as you want swell

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No, the media have ballsed up their approach to this and undermined their legitimacy. There's no if and buts or maybes about that.

They were absolutely, 100% backing Clinton against him, and if they weren't actively doing that they were scoffing at the idea he'd get in.

Are Fox News not media then? I always had my doubts...

 

[grunge]

if its like other petitions. you can sign the same petition as many times as you want swell

I think they limit per email address,

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I think they limit per email address,

fair enough if true. but i think one of the brexit petitions a lot of the signatures were from the same people and from people living abroad. you can also just create more email addresses

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Are Fox News not media then? I always had my doubts...

most folk with a brain would see it as little more than a political propaganda platform as opposed to an actual news station, which is ironically what CNN morphed into this year too.

 

[aguero93:20]

He needs to do something about those bloody lawnmowers,mind of their own

It's this busist terrorism that really has me worried, they need to ship them all back where they came from.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Worth a watch....

 

[argyle]

This is a very good summary by a former National Security official of this weekend's happening, worthy of everyone's time to give it a quick read.

"...the weekend’s immigration Executive Order accomplished what may have been its actual purpose — distracting everyone from the White House’s far more consequential changes to the National Security Council."

http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trump-bannon-flynn-national-security-coup/

 

[west didsblue]

No, the media have ballsed up their approach to this and undermined their legitimacy. There's no if and buts or maybes about that.

They were absolutely, 100% backing Clinton against him, and if they weren't actively doing that they were scoffing at the idea he'd get in.

There was a full year of fake news and polls from them. Ask yourself why the public were so surprised that he won so easily? Because they were fed for at least a year a narrative that he was a joke, when in fact the public were voting him in. So tell me this, were the media incompetent in finding out voting percentages, or were they lying in an attempt to undermine him? it was definitely the latter.

Since he got in, they realised they are fucked and he'll come after their empires. This isn't some grand crusade from the media, it's an act of self preservation.

Now, with all that said, we need him hounded and investigated constantly. But the issue is those who are doing it have completely discredited themselves.

Ultimately what the world needs right now is some honest to goodness grade A whistleblowers, but that won't happen because a) he's closing ranks so much that his inner circle are airtight and b) no whistleblower will come out thanks to how Obama's administration acted to Manning and Snowden.

I agree they were clearly backing Clinton and when you look at all his blatant lies during the campaign and since, who can blame them. Having said that there was plenty of coverage of the leaked emails which probably damaged Clinton's campaign more than anything else in spite of the fact that the FBI finally concluded that she had little to answer for.

As for fake polls, the final poll of polls had Clinton winning by 48% to 44%. The final result was 48% to 45.9% in Clinton's favour, hardly enough difference to describe the polls as fake.

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

Hahaha!

As a LITERALLY self made millionaire, with two Bachelor degrees (Finance and Aeronautical Science) and a Masters degree (Aeronautical Science)...so some might call me a proverbial rocket scientist...I assume you meant that post for someone else?

If not, I'm happy to discuss the issue I raised. Then again, perhaps you prefer to just call names because you have nothing more....you know, like anything intelligent to add to the discussion of the antiquated Electoral College system?

As for "you lost," I do believe you will find that, by many measures, I WON...just not the measures I like to look at when I do look in the mirror, like social justice, equality, a tax policy that serves the country not just the oligarchs and corporate fascists that want to run the country...a tax policy that will probably put even more money in my own pocket, even though I believe it is unfair!

If you ever want to talk about anything real, I'm here. Until then, keep frothing at the mouth in admiration at the "self made" Billionaire! Self-made is a funny term, which appears to mean something different to each of us, even though the two words don't appear to leave much ambiguity.

You DO know his history, right? You DO know that he was born with a gold spoon in his mouth, right! You DO know that when he filed his taxes and lost $916M of other people's money, he used a tax loophole to take THEIR losses as his own personal losses as a "property developer," right? And you wonder why he doesn't want to show his tax returns....yet another lie he told the American people!

This assclown is a damp squib of an intellect that has lived his life without anyone ever saying "No" to him, and thus believes that he will bend the world to his will. He THINKS he knows better than everyone, including subject matter experts on matters about which he has zero knowledge and experience.

Pick your poison:

~ He knows more than the generals who have been fighting terrorism in the Middle East. (Live on TV)

~ He has a new healthcare plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act ("ObamaCare") although he doesn't, and that was made clear at the Republican retreat where they discussed the issue.

~ He is going to make Mexico build a border wall.
Oh wait, American taxpayers will pay for it, but he will create a 20% Border Tax to pay for it.
Oh wait, who will end up paying for that Border Tax?
Will it be American consumers in higher prices or will the corporations who import simply take a 20% cut in revenues?!
What if Mexico places a similar tariff on goods crossing into Mexico...which imports more from us than we do them??

~ Maybe you would like to discuss the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Immigration Ban he signed on a Friday afternoon that a Federal Judge immediately overrode?!

He is a knee-jerk "intellect," who shoots first and asks questions later....which is the thing we all REALLY worry about! Recognize anyone?!

I'm sure you are a decent enough guy, but you are going to have to put your water wings on next time if you insist on doing a cannonball into the deep end of the intellect pool, especially when it comes to "discussing" American politics. I hope the rest of your week goes a tad better.

Finally, someone has bothered to put together a well argued and well thought out response.

Funnily enough, I am LITERALLY a self-made millionaire as well. My degree, however, is in Economics.

My support for Trump comes from my firm belief that globalisation is a significant danger to Western society. Globalisation is a race to the bottom. It allows manufacturing to seek out and prey upon the lowest and most abused in the labour market. It removes well paid American jobs at the cost to the American people, in order to provide additional profits and wealth for the super rich. In simple terms, it makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, it destroys families, communities and society. Anyone with any doubt, only need to look at the figures which show that last year the richest 62 people on the planet had a combined wealth equal to half of the world's population, this year it only takes only the richest 8.

I also believe that along with globalisation, the continued conflict in the Middle East are the two biggest threats to Western society.

From the things he has said, Trump is clearly against globalisation and wants a healthy relationship with Russia. Clinton, on the other hand, is a globalist through and through and is anti-Russian. In fact, it scared me to death when she reiterated her determination to impose a no-fly zone in Syria despite the head of the US airforce stating definitively days before, that it would be impossible to implement a no-fly zone without going to war against Russia.

I wouldn't disagree with anyone who said that we have to keep a close eye on Trump from the evidence of his first week, he seems to be implementing his manifesto with commitment and urgency. Cancelling TPP was huge, as has been the jobs and factories he has saved from moving abroad. For a country to be wealthy and healthy the country needs to "make" things, especially a country the size of America. Trump clearly understands this and is intervening in a way that his predecessors haven't; surely he deserves credit for this?

People are saying Trump is a racist and is anti-Muslim because he has delayed entry to Muslims from 7 countries because of the increased threat of radicalisation in those countries. They forget that there are some 46 other Muslim countries where this delayed entry doesn't apply. Surely if Trump was the Muslim hater he's being painted by the ridiculous media, he would have banned every Muslim?

As for radical Islam, it's a pity that the million or so Pussy hats from last week weren't protesting in such numbers when the US was dropping bombs on Libya or Syria. If they had maybe there wouldn't be as many radicals to deal with, and he Trump might not have had to impose the delayed entry after all. Just a thought!

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Everyone has been moaning about the voting system for years. Including Trump. Nobody has suddenly decided they don't like it now because it's lead to a result they don't like. And for the record, the UK's system is equally shit.

The UK's system certainly is shit if you're a UKIP voter.
Personally, I believe our voting system to be perfectly suited to this country, as do the majority of the voting public.

 

[bluethrunthru]

One person in sixty-four from the population of the UK sign a petition, hardly a ground swell.

thats true - similar numbers on the streets against the Iraq war, the Chinese PM and pro hunting made fuck all of a difference so that petition won't. Can't say that it will be an edifying spectacle though - chorus's of boo's whenever Trump or May make a move in public in London.

 

[bluethrunthru]

The UK's system certainly is shit if you're a UKIP voter.
Personally, I believe our voting system to be perfectly suited to this country, as do the majority of the voting public.

There may be "fairer" systems but I doubt there is a perfect one. If you allocated seats in share of votes there would NEVER be a majority and there would be constant coalitions, collapses and changes of government.

 

[arfurclue]

Some Trumpistas label anyone that doesn't slavishly adhere to the utterances of their leader 'snowflakes'.
and....

coincidence?