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https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.yz5l0eb59
Guys have a read of this piece. it's the first decent piece I've come across with good analysis and insight into what actually took place over the weekend.

It also has a very interesting tidbit about the sale of Russian oil.

It's a very good piece, and it is frightening.

It's funny, during the campaign we heard a lot of "Take Trump seriously, not literally" from supporters and commentators when he made all these outlandish, often illegal/unconstitutional claims on the campaign trail.

The idea being that he's not literally going to ban muslims - he just means he'll be stricter on immigration, he's not literally going to spend $10-20Bn on a massive wall along the border, he just means he's going to crack down on trafficking etc.

It seems however that he should indeed have been taken literally and I wonder how many of his fringe, less rabid supporters are now having the truth dawn on them.
 

I'm not quite buying all of this, half because he bases it all on the Holocaust remembrance speech not mentioning Jews specifically. There were 5 million non-jewish victims, whoever's written the speech has simply not excluded them, something which I believe people have campaigned for in the past.

Previous presidents would have, I'm sure, omitted that Roma, LGBT and disabled people were also selected to be mass murdered - but those presidents weren't setting up their own purge on those groups with their speech.

I do actually think quite a few of the things in his post could happen, I just don't accept the connection to the speech as the start of all this, it feels a bit like trying to tie everything together neatly, when in real life there will be some loose ends, not everything he does will be part of a grand plan, even if there is one.
 
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It's a very good piece, and it is frightening.

It's funny, during the campaign we heard a lot of "Take Trump seriously, not literally" from supporters and commentators when he made all these outlandish, often illegal/unconstitutional claims on the campaign trail.

The idea being that he's not literally going to ban muslims - he just means he'll be stricter on immigration, he's not literally going to spend $10-20Bn on a massive wall along the border, he just means he's going to crack down on trafficking etc.

It seems however that he should indeed have been taken literally and I wonder how many of his fringe, less rabid supporters are now having the truth dawn on them.

I've been very wary of both sides tbh, not just Trump.

It's very apparent that the collective media have shit themselves for backing the wrong horse and they know Trump is out to get them.

However, that doesn't for a minute mean Trump isn't the devil incarnate, he's definitely as cutthroat as you can think he is.

So for me, it's ignorant for everyone to discredit absolutely everything he's doing, purely on the basis of who he is, but at the same time I think the media's witch hunt is actually helping him because anyone who is discrediting the media's bias is somewhat falling into a pro-Trump camp by default.

Personally I've come to the conclusion that both the media and Trump are as bad as each other...and the US is fucked.
 
If anyone needs a more positive story amongst the doom and gloom -

Starbucks will redouble its efforts to hire people fleeing war, violence, persecution and discrimination, he said, and hire 10,000 refugees worldwide in the next five years. In the United States, those efforts would begin with workers who have served with U.S. troops as interpreters and support personnel in a number of countries.
The CEO also said Starbucks is reimbursing employees who are part of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program (also known as the "Dreamers" program) for the fee they have to pay every other year to be part of it. DACA, enacted in 2012, gives 750,000 unauthorized immigrants who came into the U.S. as children work permits and temporary residency.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald-trump-muslim-ban-starbucks/
 
If anyone needs a more positive story amongst the doom and gloom -

Starbucks will redouble its efforts to hire people fleeing war, violence, persecution and discrimination, he said, and hire 10,000 refugees worldwide in the next five years. In the United States, those efforts would begin with workers who have served with U.S. troops as interpreters and support personnel in a number of countries.

The CEO also said Starbucks is reimbursing employees who are part of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program (also known as the "Dreamers" program) for the fee they have to pay every other year to be part of it. DACA, enacted in 2012, gives 750,000 unauthorized immigrants who came into the U.S. as children work permits and temporary residency.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/29/donald-trump-muslim-ban-starbucks/

I always read these as "cheap labour"

I'm a cynical c**t :-)
 
I always read these as "cheap labour"

I'm a cynical c**t :-)

Shouldn't be any reason they are cheaper than any other person they give a minimum wage job to, but I wonder if that pledge is even legal in the EU, as they'd essentially be choosing a refugee over an equally qualified non-refugee to make a company quota.

Suppose that's not really relevant to us anymore.
 
I've been very wary of both sides tbh, not just Trump.

It's very apparent that the collective media have shit themselves for backing the wrong horse and they know Trump is out to get them.

However, that doesn't for a minute mean Trump isn't the devil incarnate, he's definitely as cutthroat as you can think he is.

So for me, it's ignorant for everyone to discredit absolutely everything he's doing, purely on the basis of who he is, but at the same time I think the media's witch hunt is actually helping him because anyone who is discrediting the media's bias is somewhat falling into a pro-Trump camp by default.

Personally I've come to the conclusion that both the media and Trump are as bad as each other...and the US is fucked.
You are falling for exactly what he wants to happen. I do not understand this view people have that 'the media' is somehow at fault here. Someone has to examine what he is doing and try to hold him to account. Congress certainly isnt doing it yet. These people are journalists, and will have differing views and analysis. You cant bunch a set of professionals together and call them "the media''. Some of those people will be academics, and those articles are quite right, the Trump people will soon start going after them and trying to discredit them because they will be analysing what is happening and holding him to account. He is trying to do it with the press now, and I find it scary that people are thinking he is right.
 
I've been checking who else has paid a state visit to this country in recent decades and The Donald really is a pussy cat (okay bad analogy) compared to some of the bad bastards that the Queen has been forced to host.

1978: Romanian President Nicolae Ceauşescu - executed live on television by his own people!

1994: Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe - need I comment?

and unbelievably ...

1971 Japanese Emperor Hirohito - one time Sun God and proprietor of the Burma Railroad.

There are others as well: in fact plenty of them and that's before we even get onto her having to deal with home grown scum like Martin McGuinness. I'm not quite sure why a million people are getting so upset?
 
Shouldn't be any reason they are cheaper than any other person they give a minimum wage job to, but I wonder if that pledge is even legal in the EU, as they'd essentially be choosing a refugee over an equally qualified non-refugee to make a company quota.

Suppose that's not really relevant to us anymore.

It's purely a US posturing thing, as starbucks outside the US is divided into dozens of franchise operators(I do business with the folk who own the franchise license for Ireland).
 
It's already been covered in this thread.

Obama changed the processing of visa applications from Iraq for 6 months, it added stricter processing which many said was an actual ban. He limited immigration to around 70,000 a year.

Trump stops this also, will lower it a little to 50,000 but what he's done is extend the ban to 6 other countries and also stopped legal immigration with the banning of people who have green cards and visas who have lived in America for years.

Trump also went against the advice of his National Security team and did an executive order demoting the influence of the Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff and other military advisers whilst bumping permantly on to the council the former editor of Breitbart Steve Bannon who is his chief adviser.

Bannon is a self confessed white nationalist and Russia supporter.

If you want a very conservative look at what Trump has done read this http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria
That's also a good link. Thanks
 
I've been checking who else has paid a state visit to this country in recent decades and The Donald really is a pussy cat (okay bad analogy) compared to some of the bad bastards that the Queen has been forced to host.

1978: Romanian President Nicolae Ceauşescu - executed live on television by his own people!

1994: Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe - need I comment?

and unbelievably ...

1971 Japanese Emperor Hirohito - one time Sun God and proprietor of the Burma Railroad.

There are others as well: in fact plenty of them and that's before we even get onto her having to deal with home grown scum like Martin McGuinness. I'm not quite sure why a million people are getting so upset?
Online petitions were not available in those days. Comparing Trump and what he is doing to other people and events in the way you have just done seeks to deflect from the appalling things he is doing and why, or to try and lessen what he is doing. A million people are right to be so upset. Do you approve of what he has done over the weekend with this travel ban business?
 
You are falling for exactly what he wants to happen. I do not understand this view people have that 'the media' is somehow at fault here. Someone has to examine what he is doing and try to hold him to account. Congress certainly isnt doing it yet. These people are journalists, and will have differing views and analysis. You cant bunch a set of professionals together and call them "the media''. Some of those people will be academics, and those articles are quite right, the Trump people will soon start going after them and trying to discredit them because they will be analysing what is happening and holding him to account. He is trying to do it with the press now, and I find it scary that people are thinking he is right.

No, the media have ballsed up their approach to this and undermined their legitimacy. There's no if and buts or maybes about that.

They were absolutely, 100% backing Clinton against him, and if they weren't actively doing that they were scoffing at the idea he'd get in.

There was a full year of fake news and polls from them. Ask yourself why the public were so surprised that he won so easily? Because they were fed for at least a year a narrative that he was a joke, when in fact the public were voting him in. So tell me this, were the media incompetent in finding out voting percentages, or were they lying in an attempt to undermine him? it was definitely the latter.

Since he got in, they realised they are fucked and he'll come after their empires. This isn't some grand crusade from the media, it's an act of self preservation.

Now, with all that said, we need him hounded and investigated constantly. But the issue is those who are doing it have completely discredited themselves.

Ultimately what the world needs right now is some honest to goodness grade A whistleblowers, but that won't happen because a) he's closing ranks so much that his inner circle are airtight and b) no whistleblower will come out thanks to how Obama's administration acted to Manning and Snowden.
 
Saw the word Snowden at the bottom as the page loaded and lost all interest

No matter what debate or conversation you're in, writing a comment about how you can't be bothered to read the other person's comment is the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOU".

Read it and reply, or don't reply.
 
No matter what debate or conversation you're in, writing a comment about how you can't be bothered to read the other person's comment is the forum equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "CAN'T HEAR YOU".

Read it and reply, or don't reply.

Leave him be. People who write stuff like that are essentially waving at the forum saying "I'm only here to preach". Comments like that just discredit anything else he's saying.
 
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