Donald Trump

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And your prediction is they will whine but then fold?

No, my prediction is none will whine. They will back-channel "bad choice" to Trump and he will either try to squeeze it by recess or will pull him which is optimal because then no Senator has to go on public record voting against him. Because they're all cowards. If he gets to the confirmation process he passes.

Of course, the obvious question is what kind of a leader would put up Matt Gaetz to begin with.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

No, my prediction is none will whine. They will back-channel "bad choice" to Trump and he will either try to squeeze it by recess or will pull him which is optimal because then no Senator has to go on public record voting against him. Because they're all cowards. If he gets to the confirmation process he passes.

Of course, the obvious question is what kind of a leader would put up Matt Gaetz to begin wiwith.

So back to my 3 options of what is Trump thinking.

Is this option 2 where he was too stupid to see this mess coming?

I think he knew and he will push it through a confirmation. And use it as a marker on getting his way. He doesn't give a shit about Gaetz, there will be some other degenerate that will act as his puppet if he's knocked back. But putting Gaetz up basically says I have total control and if you want to apply some check and balance then let's see how it plays out.

 

[threespires]

So back to my 3 options of what is Trump thinking.

Is this option 2 where he was too stupid to see this mess coming?

I think he knew and he will push it through a confirmation. And use it as a marker on getting his way. He doesn't give a shit about Gaetz, there will be some other degenerate that will act as his puppet if he's knocked back. But putting Gaetz up basically says I have total control and if you want to apply some check and balance then let's see how it plays out.

Sorry had I read back I would have realised you'd already addressed this. As you say there is absolutely no reading of this that is anything other than appalling but I think we're going to have to get used to that.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

So back to my 3 options of what is Trump thinking.

Is this option 2 where he was too stupid to see this mess coming?

I think he knew and he will push it through a confirmation. And use it as a marker on getting his way. He doesn't give a shit about Gaetz, there will be some other degenerate that will act as his puppet if he's knocked back. But putting Gaetz up basically says I have total control and if you want to apply some check and balance then let's see how it plays out.

It's 100% a power move, plus if/when Gaetz is confirmed, Trump will not have to worry about an independent DoJ. Also, it triggers the libs. It's literally all upside. What's the downside? If he fails by a few votes, Trump has now identified the "traitors" among the Senators, which he can then bully and lever into supporting other things, and he can slide in a different AG pick who might be "awful" (however one defines that) but not as bad as Gaetz and still gets his way.

Thinking some more about it, if Trump goes recess, he gets to trigger libs and protect himself, but also is kind of admitting he doesn't have all the senate in his pocket yet. He wants to convey that he thinks he does, so maybe recess is off the table?

The only way it fails as if a significant majority of red Senators stand up publicly and say "we aren't going to accept this nomination" in a way that makes Trump lose face. By significant majority I mean almost if not all of them. But as they are feckless cowards, that will never happen, which Trump also knows.

I can almost guarantee this wasn't Trump's idea btw.

 

[Dax777]

It's 100% a power move, plus if/when Gaetz is confirmed, Trump will not have to worry about an independent DoJ. Also, it triggers the libs.

Are we assuming we currently have one of those? Talk about protection.

It's literally all upside. What's the downside? If he fails by a few votes, Trump has now identified the "traitors" among the Senators, which he can then bully and lever into supporting other things, and he can slide in a different AG pick who might be "awful" (however one defines that) but not as bad as Gaetz and still gets his way.

So we'll hate the AG no matter who it is. Got it. Even and unconfirmed Gaetz wouldn't satisfy the crowd, right?

Thinking some more about it, if Trump goes recess, he gets to trigger libs and protect himself, but also is kind of admitting he doesn't have all the senate in his pocket yet, which is the message he wants to convey.

Isn't this a good thing? Cant even get his nominees in without sneaking them in the back. Isn't that a sign he isn't full proof?

The only way it fails as if a significant majority of red Senators stand up publicly and say "we aren't going to accept this nomination" in a way that makes Trump lose face. By significant majority I mean almost if not all of them. But as they are cowards, that will never happen, which Trump also knows.

Perhaps cowardice is not the only reason they don't disagree with him.

I can almost guarantee this wasn't Trump's idea btw.

Damn! All that damning and you don't even think Trump is to blame? Who should we blame this debacle on then? Susan? Elon? Vivek? Jnr? We have our pitchforks already. Just give a name...

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It's 100% a power move, plus if/when Gaetz is confirmed, Trump will not have to worry about an independent DoJ. Also, it triggers the libs. It's literally all upside. What's the downside? If he fails by a few votes, Trump has now identified the "traitors" among the Senators, which he can then bully and lever into supporting other things, and he can slide in a different AG pick who might be "awful" (however one defines that) but not as bad as Gaetz and still gets his way.

Thinking some more about it, if Trump goes recess, he gets to trigger libs and protect himself, but also is kind of admitting he doesn't have all the senate in his pocket yet. He wants to convey that he thinks he does, so maybe recess is off the table?

The only way it fails as if a significant majority of red Senators stand up publicly and say "we aren't going to accept this nomination" in a way that makes Trump lose face. By significant majority I mean almost if not all of them. But as they are feckless cowards, that will never happen, which Trump also knows.

I can almost guarantee this wasn't Trump's idea btw.

It's interesting. Maybe it was intended to fail. Gaetz is an idiot. He wants loyalty but he also needs an intelligent operator in that role who can act without generating excessive fallout.

Are experienced lawyers going to take instructions they don't like from Matt Gaetz?

 

[super_city_si]

It's going to be a shit show. This Gaetz thing, makes me wonder:-

Does Trump know this will cause outrage and a shitstorm with the process of Senate confirmation. And not care or just think it's drama that does him no harm.

Or is he genuinely to stupid, and to removed from the facts that he was talked into this by Gaetz and he just doesn't know what's coming.

Or is this some sort of power flex where he knows Gaetz is a shitshow of an individual and he's going to force his appointment as a sign of rewarding loyalty and promoting his most fervorent boot lickers.

Pick anyone of the above and its not a great sign of things to come.

I think its as simple as Gaetz will do WHATEVER Trump asks of him. Arrest Liz Cheney - YES SIR!!

 

[super_city_si]

I think the notion that people who voted Trump are stupid was always silly.

They voted Trump because they disliked him less than they did the other side. And there's plenty enough reason to dislike the other side.

I always want the American President or Government to succeed. What I am mostly reading here are people who are hoping and praying it fails.

As always they are all full of predictions. I am hopeful and so far can't say I'm disappointed in anything.

The President has made some picks. Most of them are great and will get confirmed. A significant minority of them are shaky.

But the woe is me crowd can't even wait for his first day in office to have a complaint. They apparently know the future.

I hate the Orange ****. He is the worst of humanity. The fact he continues to land on his feet is galling.

However, I hope his madcap government succeeds, cos if he fails, it affects everyone, not just the US. I can take him crowing if it means peace and prosperity. For the life of me, I cant see it but we've no option right now but to hope.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

So back to my 3 options of what is Trump thinking.

Is this option 2 where he was too stupid to see this mess coming?

I think he knew and he will push it through a confirmation. And use it as a marker on getting his way. He doesn't give a shit about Gaetz, there will be some other degenerate that will act as his puppet if he's knocked back. But putting Gaetz up basically says I have total control and if you want to apply some check and balance then let's see how it plays out.

Gaetz basically went of Fox News as a newly minted Congressman in 2017 and auditioned for a place in Trump's inner circle. From thereon in he's been seen as a loyal servant who is willing to do ANYTHING for Trump. Gaetz is reported to have requested a very broad reaching pardon after the events of Jan 6, which he did not receive. Innocent people don't need pardons. The fact that his sex trafficking investigation essentially stalled is incredibly suspicious.

As a parent, you wouldn't want this guy anywhere near your kids, and if this was any normal government, he wouldn't pass preliminary vetting, let alone FBI background checks, but here we are.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I think its as simple as Gaetz will do WHATEVER Trump asks of him. Arrest Liz Cheney - YES SIR!!

Gaetz basically went of Fox News as a newly minted Congressman in 2017 and auditioned for a place in Trump's inner circle. From thereon in he's been seen as a loyal servant who is willing to do ANYTHING for Trump. Gaetz is reported to have requested a very broad reaching pardon after the events of Jan 6, which he did not receive. Innocent people don't need pardons. The fact that his sex trafficking investigation essentially stalled is incredibly suspicious.

As a parent, you wouldn't want this guy anywhere near your kids, and if this was any normal government, he wouldn't pass preliminary vetting, let alone FBI background checks, but here we are.

Loyal yes. But effective?

If Trump wants to turn the DoJ into the gestapo then he needs someone with nous. He's got a nonce!