Donald Trump

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Is there an Idiot Contest ongoing right now?

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Jim, when the Berlin Wall came down, NATO signed up to an agreement to "not take a further step east".
This meant The Soviet Union, as it still was at that moment in time, didn't want any NATO encroachment onto it's territory.
There were no issues with Russia for many years other than posturing by both sides.
The situation in the Ukraine has been provoked by American machinations.
If the late John Pilger had this figured out before he passed away, then that's good enough for me, coming from an indisputably honest and decent man.
American's are force fed the notion that Socialism is dangerous from a very early age. They are nothing less than brainwashed. But, what have they got to fear in their isolation geographically ? Ask yourself that. Why the big concern for the European's well being ?

There was no such commitment. Application to NATO is open to any sovereign nation wishing to protect itself. Yes , including Russia! Ukraine unilaterally gave up it's nukes in return for non intervention from it's powerful neighbour. As we have witnessed that country's word under this tyrant was never worth the paper it was written on. Thus during the Putin regime the Ukrainians began to realise where their best interests lay and began their realignment further prompted by the annexation of Crimea.
As for global "socialism" , I have recently read "10 days that shook the world" .. incidentally written by an American socialist, which left me in no doubt as to the utterly chaotic psyche of Russians and of the inevitability that such cataclysmic events will always be doomed to failure.
As Churchill said "capitalism is not the greatest political system...we just haven't invented anything better"....yet

 

[mexico1970]

Is there an Idiot Contest ongoing right now?

Have you thrown your hat into the ring ;-)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Whether you are aware of this or not - the use of “the Ukraine” is advocating for the Russian position. It is Ukraine. A sovereign nation. Not “the Ukraine” as in an undefined region without fixed boundaries ala “the Balkans”.

I would normally let this go but in the context of the rest of your post I think it suggests that you’re either lacking knowledge about the situation that you seem to think you have, or that you have unwittingly swallowed Russian talking points.

It's both.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Jim, when the Berlin Wall came down, NATO signed up to an agreement to "not take a further step east".
This meant The Soviet Union, as it still was at that moment in time, didn't want any NATO encroachment onto it's territory.
There were no issues with Russia for many years other than posturing by both sides.
The situation in the Ukraine has been provoked by American machinations.
If the late John Pilger had this figured out before he passed away, then that's good enough for me, coming from an indisputably honest and decent man.
American's are force fed the notion that Socialism is dangerous from a very early age. They are nothing less than brainwashed. But, what have they got to fear in their isolation geographically ? Ask yourself that. Why the big concern for the European's well being ?

The Berlin Wall wasn’t built to keep the west out. It was built to keep the East Germans in.

Nobody forced the ex members of the Soviet Bloc to turn to NATO the decision were made by themselves. The populous of each of those countries probably know better than both me and you where the biggest threat to their new sovereignty comes from.

 

[Shrimp]

Did it? What specific agreement was that?

It's there in plenty of detail if you look into it GDM.
I respect you as a poster, I wouldn't lie about something as serious as this. However, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't stick my head above the parapet, and call this out.
The agreement was set in place at a moment in history that was termed "The end of the Cold War".
Any one of 5 countries could have vetoed any specific detail to derail things, but not one of them did. They were all happy to sign. The trouble is, The American Industrial War Complex, is only interested in profits. The people that are driving this don't give a shit about Europe or its population, because they are out of harm's way in splendid isolation.
Trust me, look for the information and you will find it. If the late John Pilger is on the record with it, that should be proof enough.
Enjoy the remainder of the football season & Up The Blues !

 

[west didsblue]

It's there in plenty of detail if you look into it GDM.
I respect you as a poster, I wouldn't lie about something as serious as this. However, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't stick my head above the parapet, and call this out.
The agreement was set in place at a moment in history that was termed "The end of the Cold War".
Any one of 5 countries could have vetoed any specific detail to derail things, but not one of them did. They were all happy to sign. The trouble is, The American Industrial War Complex, is only interested in profits. The people that are driving this don't give a shit about Europe or its population, because they are out of harm's way in splendid isolation.
Trust me, look for the information and you will find it. If the late John Pilger is on the record with it, that should be proof enough.
Enjoy the remainder of the football season & Up The Blues !

You really haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about. There was no specific agreement put in place that marked the end of the Cold War. The agreement that many people say heralded the end of the Cold War was the 1987 INF treaty which was an arms control treaty that made no reference to NATO expansion. You’re posting out of your arse.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

We have a Ukraine thread and an American Politics thread, yet a Putin loving Trumper and a card carrying member of the CCP appear to have derailed the discussion about Trump himself…unless, of course, they’re giving us a front row seat to the kind of warped logic that has infested the MAGAts that follow him?

These lovers of the strong man fascist/communist Dictator meme are, I guess, part of the joy of an open Internet forum…and I’m all for it! It helps illuminate the level of propaganda that fills their Swiss Cheese minds and remind us all just how dangerous the world is.

The Morecambe shrimp seems to believe Putin is a more benevolent neighbor and ally to Europe than America…with zero evidence other than our “fucking big noses,” which I’m sure have nothing to do with his anti-Zionist statement whatsoever!

But, not to worry, he knows the term “military industrial complex,” so that must be the reason Putin invaded Ukraine…so we could build more weapons and literally GIVE THEM AWAY AT GREAT POLITICAL AND FINANCIAL COST TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER!

On the other hand, our Chinese Comrade wants to know what’s wrong with Communism as a way of life? I can only hope he is an under 40 yr old male, as it will mean he may live to see the fall of China from the world stage. Most of the country is uninhabitable, it relies solely on Western money buying ever more expensive Chinese goods, and is heading for a demographic cliff from which the fall will be their death knell. Unfortunately, Xi knows it, too, which is why he’s expanding eastward into the South China Sea and beyond!

But, not to worry, the USA is the country you really need to be afraid of, so I’ve been told!

Errr, OK…

 

[KS55]

Can we get your opinion on all of these announced 2024 Trump policies?

- National 6 week abortion ban.

- Add a 10% tariff to ALL imports.

- End birthright citizenship.

- Bring back Muslim travel ban.

- Leaving Nato.

- Sell off public land to oil companies to frack. Reverse pollution limits and exit Paris accords.

- Close the Department of Education.

- Change the education sylabbus to focus on patriotism not..education.

- Forcibly relocate homeless people to rural shanty towns.

A fine program. No wonder people vote for him, he is a political genius. Apparently he has a huge brain to compensate for his tiny todger.

 

[KS55]

It's there in plenty of detail if you look into it GDM.
I respect you as a poster, I wouldn't lie about something as serious as this. However, I couldn't live with myself if I didn't stick my head above the parapet, and call this out.
The agreement was set in place at a moment in history that was termed "The end of the Cold War".
Any one of 5 countries could have vetoed any specific detail to derail things, but not one of them did. They were all happy to sign. The trouble is, The American Industrial War Complex, is only interested in profits. The people that are driving this don't give a shit about Europe or its population, because they are out of harm's way in splendid isolation.
Trust me, look for the information and you will find it. If the late John Pilger is on the record with it, that should be proof enough.
Enjoy the remainder of the football season & Up The Blues !

John Pilger was well known for his meticulous attitude to the facts. Absolutely no manipulating them to suit his argument, oh no.