Donald Trump

[Damocles]

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Haha poo poo pee pee haha.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Trump surprised no one by saying he won't guarantee to accept the 2024 election result. Now other leading Republicans are also saying they won't do so. Tim Scott the latest. Here's a thing that has been a constant fundamental of political life - of democracy - and they are shying away from it. In Scott's case it's because he want to be on the ballot or at least get a Cabinet position, more broadly it's another measure of the hold DT has on the party.

Scott is a shithouse of the highest order.
I'd like to know what decent hard working black people who've suffered racism for years think about him

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Trump surprised no one by saying he won't guarantee to accept the 2024 election result. Now other leading Republicans are also saying they won't do so. Tim Scott the latest. Here's a thing that has been a constant fundamental of political life - of democracy - and they are shying away from it. In Scott's case it's because he want to be on the ballot or at least get a Cabinet position, more broadly it's another measure of the hold DT has on the party.

It doesn’t matter anyhow because even if he did he’s going to claim he’s running in 2028 so he can continue to cry political persecution.

 

[KS55]

It doesn’t matter anyhow because even if he did he’s going to claim he’s running in 2028 so he can continue to cry political persecution.

He’ll be too busy losing criminal trials and ‘breaking rocks in the hot sun’…….
He fought the law and the law won.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It doesn’t matter anyhow because even if he did he’s going to claim he’s running in 2028 so he can continue to cry political persecution.

There is an important sense though in which this matters very much, namely: casting doubt on the results of a free and fair election undermines Democracy.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Who else thinks that Trump will be jailed for contempt of court within the next 30 days?


Juan Merchan Merchan has had enough. After issuing this warning to Trump, Merchan will be compelled to jail the former president should he - inevitably - violate the terms of his gag order.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

There is an important sense though in which this matters very much, namely: casting doubt on the results of a free and fair election undermines Democracy.

Absolutely. I meant not mattering in terms of changing his status as a political persecutee.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Absolutely. I meant not mattering in terms of changing his status as a political persecutee.

Just so.

Victimhood is part and parcel of the Trump playbook.

So is election denialism. We've seen this time and again. How it works is as follows:
1) When questioned about whether or not he'll accept the results of an election, Trump will invariably site fake "evidence" of past voter fraud, and then will equivocate;
2) Next, Trump will be pressed - "Will you accept the results of the upcoming election?" Trump will reply, let's see - appealing to his base who don't believe in election outcomes, and at the same time creating ground for rebutting attacks against him as an election denier. Typical Trump.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Who else thinks that Trump will be jailed for contempt of court within the next 30 days?


Juan Merchan Merchan has had enough. After issuing this warning to Trump, Merchan will be compelled to jail the former president should he - inevitably - violate the terms of his gag order.

The thing I took away from that is that the gag order is technically enforced as a civil agreement and not criminal. Why? Is that normal?

In the extreme case that you are undermining the court system and putting jurors at risk of harm, why can’t criminal penalties be imposed? Even if it’s just something like an out-of-court order in the form of a criminal caution, that would have a potentially serious impact on sentencing in some jurisdictions where first-time offenders get lesser sentences. It’s also kind of wild to me that incarceration can be a civil punishment but that’s a separate matter altogether.

I respect Justice Merchan, I think he’s doing a great job in an impossible situation. I am troubled by the double standard that leads him to say things like “I don’t want to jail a potential future president.” I know he’s trying to soften the potential for appeal, but nobody else would get such grace and it feels lacking in ethical consistency.

If you ask me Judges should never be thinking about avoiding appeals from a vexatious litigant. If they are and that alters their actions then something has gone wrong.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

The thing I took away from that is that the gag order is technically enforced as a civil agreement and not criminal. Why? Is that normal?

I'm replying as a complete neophyte to the workings of the US law system... but I don't see that that gag order violations are part of - or are enforced similarly to - civil cases.

Even in criminal cases, fines without jail time are possible.

Whereas - isn't it true - I honestly don't know - that civil cases cannot result in jail time? Jail time reserved for criminal convictions?