Donald Trump

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

But they hate and blame Biden too. I don't think there is anyone the Democrats could have run.

Every time I ask the question, the answers always come back the same.

Not enough people gave a fuck about who or what Trump is to defeat him no matter who was running

They'll start caring when it's too late, which is ultimately how democracies fail.

 

[mackenzie]

I'm not sure a majority of Americans wanted those things, but they knew what they didn't want, which is ultimately led to the downfall of Harris' bid for the Whitehouse.

Black and a woman???

Didn't stand a chance in reality, even with Trump as unpalatable as he was with many voters.

This is what I keep hearing/seeing.

Yet, as an outsider, all I saw was a Presidential nominee who was absolutely hopeless and without any leadership or conviction.
In fact, probably the worst candidate in my 60 years on this planet.

So bad that she couldn't even beat Trump

Dems really need to look at where THEY have gone catastrophically wrong instead of making stuff up.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This is what I keep hearing/seeing.

Yet, as an outsider, all I saw was a Presidential nominee who was absolutely hopeless and without any leadership or conviction.
In fact, probably the worst candidate in my 60 years on this planet.

So bad that she couldn't even beat Trump

Dems really need to look at where THEY have gone catastrophically wrong instead of making stuff up.

And this is what I keep hearing and seeing.

And so I will keep asking.

Who should they have run who could beat Trump then?

Ps. Trump has conviction. Well . . . A conviction.

 

[mackenzie]

And this is what I keep hearing and seeing.

And so I will keep asking.

Who should they have run who could beat Trump then?

Ps. Trump has conviction. Well . . . A conviction.

And I've posted an answer to this before, weeks ago
And I'm not about to repeat myself.

It was/is up to the Dems to find a worthy candidate. Any "passing the parcel" antics to anyone who thought she was hopeless, is both lazy and deflective.
And it doesn't help to rebuild an effective opposition because it's denying any real responsibility and is not a proper examination of where things went wrong.
It's destructive and leads nowhere.. Blaming other people for voting for the opposition is not how to regroup and win the next battle ....self analysis and awareness is

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

And I've posted an answer to this before, weeks ago
And I'm not about to repeat myself.

It was/is up to the Dems to find a worthy candidate. Any "passing the parcel" antics to anyone who thought she was hopeless, is both lazy and deflective.
And it doesn't help to rebuild an effective opposition because it's denying any real responsibility and is not a proper examination of where things went wrong.
It's destructive and leads nowhere.. Blaming other people for voting for the opposition is not how to regroup and win the next battle ....self analysis and awareness is

That's funny.

I would say lazy, deflective, denying any real responsibility, destructive, leading nowhere and lack of self-analysis are all things who describe critics who don't offer better alternatives.

I get it. Whatever the alternative is/will be, whomever offers it, my guess is that will be the worst Dem in 64 years.

And so it goes.

 

[Dax777]

So now you're a Starmer fan?

Who?

 

[mackenzie]

That's funny.

I would say lazy, deflective, denying any real responsibility, destructive, leading nowhere and lack of self-analysis are all things who describe critics who don't offer better alternatives.

I get it. Whatever the alternative is/will be, whomever offers it, my guess is that will be the worst Dem in 64 years according to you.

And so it goes.

With respect....thats absolute bollocks.
And you are doing the same again ie "it's everyone else's fault for not agreeing with me. Their opinion isn't as 'educated' or as 'worthy' as mine" kind of guff.

If the Dems come up with a worthy candidate then I'll be rootng for them. Absolutely.
Mainly because I'm left wing by nature and I think they have a wonderful history of making a real difference to people's lives.
But they have completely lost their way and need a rethink. Much like our Labour party did.

Telling everyone that the reasons the Dems lost was because Harris is a black woman is ridiculous.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

With respect....thats absolute bollocks.
And you are doing the same again ie it's everyone else's fault for not agreeing with me. Their opinion isn't as "educated" or as "worthy" as mine kind of guff.

If the Dems come up with a worthy candidate then I'll be rootng for them. Absolutely.
Mainly because I'm left wing by nature and I think they have a wonderful history of making a real difference to people's lives.
But they have completely lost their way and need a rethink. Much like our Labour party did.

Telling everyone that the reasons the Dems lost was because Harris is a black woman is ridiculous.

I didn't say that. I agree that's not why she lost.

I said the reason Trump won is because more Americans want his policies in place than not in place.

Mass deportations, widespread freedom to own guns, significant abortion restrictions, tariffs which will onshore jobs and not raise costs to the consumer, withdrawal from the world's policeman role, and, as much as anything, punishment for all the illegal activities committed by Dems all over the nation.

 

[Dax777]

You, and others, keep trying to over-complicate this.

From the last article:

Throughout his campaign, Donald Trump and the Republicans told us exactly who they are. They pledged to wreak vengeance on their political enemies, to create a new counter-federalist brigade of brownshirts to initiate mass deportations, to bomb Iran to smithereens, and to establish an interstate menstrual surveillance regime. Trump barked out random non sequiturs about windmills and Hannibal Lecter and bobbed silently to schlock-heavy playlists. He dogmatically asserted his faith in tariffs and their ability to magically eliminate inequality and create mass prosperity, even if they would do the opposite. And yet Kamala Harris and the Democrats struggled to mount a successful opposition.

Why did Donald Trump win?

Because.
The.
Majority.
Of.
Americans.
Want.
Those.
Same.
Things.

Especially the vengeance part.

On the policy side (not the vengeance side), a lot of this is no different than the divide Ronald Reagan exploited. And I voted for him.

But Ronald Reagan wasn't a lying convicted felon who denied the results of a legitimate election running for protection from crime, money and personal aggrandizement.

The GOP has done an excellent job portraying any and all Democrats as either communist/socialists or elitists. Had Sanders won the nomination and lost to Trump, all these narratives would be about how the Democratic party had lost the middle to radicals.

Once again there's no answer to the question: what do you want Democrats to do if they won't get down in the mud and support pregnancy tests before interstate travel? Once again there is no answer. Just more bleating.

Well, it's hard to answer a question based on a false premise... "Pregnancy tests before interstate travel" My God Foggy... The daylight between you and Mr Kobayashi is getting harder and harder to find :(

But they hate and blame Biden too. I don't think there is anyone the Democrats could have run.

Every time I ask the question, the answers always come back the same.

Not enough people gave a fuck about who or what Trump is to defeat him no matter who was running against him.

Correct! They did not buy your theory of the case or that of the Democrats. They thought what directly affected their lives was more important. Silly folks.

 

[mackenzie]

I didn't say that. I agree that's not why she lost.

I said the reason Trump won is because more Americans want his policies in place than not in place.

Mass deportations, widespread freedom to own guns, significant abortion restrictions, tariffs which will onshore jobs and not raise costs to the consumer, withdrawal from the world's policeman role, and, as much as anything, punishment for all the illegal activities committed by Dems all over the nation.

.The Dems need to rebuild and get a "real" message out that resonates with the people that voted against them.
They need to reconnect.

How they do that I have no idea, but they could/should start with someone who actually has conviction in what they are saying and connects with what matters for the majority.