Donald Trump

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Damn? I was about to go through this... But you are clearly better at this than I am. I'm happy I went to the transfer forum for a few minutes. :)

@FogBlueInSanFran over to you. The people are not crazy even if your FBI is fudging statistics and then revising them a year later without notice.

But here's a report you can read on crime fudging. Democrats love telling voters to stop believing their lying eyes.

Stealth Edit: FBI Quietly Revises Violent Crime Stats

When the FBI originally released the “final” crime data for 2022 in September 2023, it reported that the nation’s violent crime rate fell by 2.1%. This quickly became, and remains, a

www.realclearinvestigations.com

See? There's no point. You're gonna read whatever you want.

Even UN's post discusses that Americans "feel" there is more crime even if there isn't. What do you key in on? Democratic DAs and "my" FBI fudging statistics (LOL -- it's "our" FBI, dummy, as you'd be the first to pretend you believe if you ever needed them for anything -- such a fucking insult to people who risk their lives to protect us -- no wonder you love Trump, who calls war heroes "suckers and losers" -- imagine what he'd call FBI agents).

Data doesn't matter to you. It's all about how you and your voters "feel."

I assume you were on the Liverpool transfer forum.

 

[Username Required]

Just read that Trump and his looney cult followers are sick of America being the "world's police".

That's like a fireman moaning when he's the arsonists setting the fires himself!

Robert Gates’s first memoir was titled “From the Shadows,” and that is an apt description of where Gates has comfortably resided. He is not a flashy man—a colleague once likened him to “the guy at P. C. Richards who sold microwave ovens”—but he has been for decades a quietly persistent presence in foreign policymaking. Gates has served as the Defense Secretary, C.I.A. chief, and deputy national-security adviser, among other roles. Unusually, he has occupied high positions under both Democratic and Republican Presidents. After George W. Bush placed him in charge of the Defense Department, Barack Obama kept him there as a trusted source of counsel. He has called Biden “a man of genuine integrity” and Trump “unfit to be Commander-in-Chief.”

Gates’s sense that the United States has relied too much on its armed forces is widely shared. Biden has also complained of it, and a recent Gallup poll found people nearly twice as likely to say that Washington is spending too much on its military as too little.

“You guys want me to send troops everywhere,” Trump reportedly complained to his top national-security aides as they proposed more force in North Africa. “Unfortunately, sir,” Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis replied, “you have no choice.”

Should America Still Police the World?

Two recent books, by Robert Gates and Patrick Porter, present starkly different visions for the future of the United States’ primacy in world affairs.

www.newyorker.com

 

[Dax777]

I'm fairly sure Fulabeer is happy with America being the police in the middle east and Tens of Billions of American Taxpayers dollars going to Israel. Judging by his post on the middle east thread.

Then I'm even more confused. The whole analogy falls apart if he is pro American imperialism.

 

[Dax777]

See? There's no point. You're gonna read whatever you want.

Even UN's post discusses that Americans "feel" there is more crime even if there isn't. What do you key in on? Democratic DAs and "my" FBI fudging statistics (LOL -- it's "our" FBI, dummy, as you'd be the first to pretend you believe if you ever needed them for anything -- such a fucking insult to people who risk their lives to protect us -- no wonder you love Trump, who calls war heroes "suckers and losers" -- imagine what he'd call FBI agents).

Data doesn't matter to you. It's all about how you and your voters "feel."

Wrong. The reason why I wanted you to provide your stats is exactly that. To show you for the partisan you are. I knew you were going to come with analysis free claptrap you provided.

You are happy to use flawed data to support your position and deride others for not knowing what they are talking about. While in fact you also don't really know what you are talking about or worse you do but are just as happy to depend on spurious data.

I assume you were on the Liverpool transfer forum.

Yes! You caught me red handed.

 

[Username Required]

I'm fairly sure Fulabeer is happy with America being the police in the middle east and Tens of Billions of American Taxpayers dollars going to Israel. Judging by his post on the middle east thread.

I think quite a few people are happy with America's policing role vis-a-vis the Ukraine, unless they think America has not policed enough. It's all fun and games to dick wave at Russia in Parliament and on Twitter when you know the U.S. has your back. Perhaps the U.S. should just terminate it's involvement with NATO though and leave Europeans to police Europe and former Soviet central Asian nations. The U.S. should stop trying to police China and the ever-lying Pakistan, or North Korea or Africa or Iran. The U.S. should stop trying to police nuclear weapons proliferation or bio-weapons, or drugs cartels. In fact, because the U.S. keeps making mistakes when it comes to applying it's police powers and isn't always effective or consistent we should just give up entirely. Americans living in a relatively liberal democracy might have different opinions on the U.S. role post 1945 and may even change their minds on the application of force as a function of a changing environment.

I disagree with Trump. We aren't spending enough on a fully-integrated military, economic-diplomatic-technological means dealing with emerging threats. I also don't have a problem with being "the world's policeman." Someone has to be. You dial 911 it may take us some time to respond though.

The United States faces a complex array of threats to our national security, including our political, economic, military, and social systems. These threats will continue to evolve as new and resurgent adversaries develop politically and militarily, as weapons and technology advance, and as environmental and demographic changes occur.

National Security: Long-Range Emerging Threats Facing the United States As Identified by Federal Agencies

Threats to U.S. national security continue to evolve with technological, economic, and social changes. Federal agencies identified 26 long-term...

www.gao.gov

 

[The blue phantom]

I think quite a few people are happy with America's policing role vis-a-vis the Ukraine, unless they think America has not policed enough. It's all fun and games to dick wave at Russia in Parliament and on Twitter when you know the U.S. has your back. Perhaps the U.S. should just terminate it's involvement with NATO though and leave Europeans to police Europe and former Soviet central Asian nations. The U.S. should stop trying to police China and the ever-lying Pakistan, or North Korea or Africa or Iran. The U.S. should stop trying to police nuclear weapons proliferation or bio-weapons, or drugs cartels. In fact, because the U.S. keeps making mistakes when it comes to applying it's police powers and isn't always effective or consistent we should just give up entirely. Americans living in a relatively liberal democracy might have different opinions on the U.S. role post 1945 and may even change their minds on the application of force as a function of a changing environment.

I disagree with Trump. We aren't spending enough on a fully-integrated military, economic-diplomatic-technological means dealing with emerging threats. I also don't have a problem with being "the world's policeman." Someone has to be. You dial 911 it may take us some time to respond though.

The United States faces a complex array of threats to our national security, including our political, economic, military, and social systems. These threats will continue to evolve as new and resurgent adversaries develop politically and militarily, as weapons and technology advance, and as environmental and demographic changes occur.

National Security: Long-Range Emerging Threats Facing the United States As Identified by Federal Agencies

Threats to U.S. national security continue to evolve with technological, economic, and social changes. Federal agencies identified 26 long-term...

www.gao.gov

I'm not sure a lot of American Taxpayers are happy with the Billions being sent to Israel, Aipac and Congress aside.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Wrong. The reason why I wanted you to provide your stats is exactly that. To show you for the partisan you are. I knew you were going to come with analysis free claptrap you provided.

You are happy to use flawed data to support your position and deride others for not knowing what they are talking about. While in fact you also don't really know what you are talking about or worse you do but are just as happy to depend on spurious data.


Yes! You caught me red handed.

FLAWED data?!? Of course it's flawed -- because it doesn't show what you want it to show.

Same with GDP, home prices, stock market, inflation, job growth, unemployment, wage growth, etc. etc. etc. all collected by "my" Commerce Department.

And as usual you will cherry pick the one or two of those that you think are softest and use them to "prove" the "feeling" Trump voters had that the economy and the nation is in the toilet.

It's what you do.

 

[Dax777]

FLAWED data?!? Of course it's flawed -- because it doesn't show what you want it to show.

Same with GDP, home prices, stock market, inflation, job growth, unemployment, wage growth, etc. etc. etc. all collected by "my" Commerce Department.

And as usual you will cherry pick the one or two of those that you think are softest and use them to "prove" the "feeling" Trump voters had that the economy and the nation is in the toilet.

It's what you do.

Ok, you win. It's all feelings :(

 

[halfcenturyup]

How would a pigeon claim victory in a chess match? Walk around, moving its head backwards and forwards going coo coo?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Robert Gates’s first memoir was titled “From the Shadows,” and that is an apt description of where Gates has comfortably resided. He is not a flashy man—a colleague once likened him to “the guy at P. C. Richards who sold microwave ovens”—but he has been for decades a quietly persistent presence in foreign policymaking. Gates has served as the Defense Secretary, C.I.A. chief, and deputy national-security adviser, among other roles. Unusually, he has occupied high positions under both Democratic and Republican Presidents. After George W. Bush placed him in charge of the Defense Department, Barack Obama kept him there as a trusted source of counsel. He has called Biden “a man of genuine integrity” and Trump “unfit to be Commander-in-Chief.”

Gates’s sense that the United States has relied too much on its armed forces is widely shared. Biden has also complained of it, and a recent Gallup poll found people nearly twice as likely to say that Washington is spending too much on its military as too little.

“You guys want me to send troops everywhere,” Trump reportedly complained to his top national-security aides as they proposed more force in North Africa. “Unfortunately, sir,” Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis replied, “you have no choice.”

Should America Still Police the World?

Two recent books, by Robert Gates and Patrick Porter, present starkly different visions for the future of the United States’ primacy in world affairs.

www.newyorker.com

If you’re not going to police the world I look forward to the drastic drop in defence spending getting rid of most of your carrier fleets I believe more than the whole world combined, staying out of the Middle East and allowing terrorists groups to control oil for the world. Not regime changing countries to suit your needs, of course the bomb and gun makers won’t like that and the conglomerates that go in and “rebuild” these regimes will be fellow billionaire Trumps ear to carry on. Remember with great power comes great responsibility