dzeko presser from 1.30

[M18CTID]

Re: See what ypu`ve started Edin !!! PMSL

I know theres some nobs out there but please keep beating that drum Edin,as you`re upestting the natives in Trafford.

Edin Dzeko has been in Manchester for all of two minutes before speaking to the press about the lie City fans spread, that Manchester is blue.

So desperate are City to get some leverage on United, they hound their new signings with their nonsense.

“I have heard a lot about the fans and that most of the people from Manchester are Manchester City fans,” he said.

Nobody ever claims that everyone from Merseyside is an Everton fan or that everyone from the Midlands is a West Brom fan, yet bizarrely, the word that City fans are so keen to put out is that ‘proper Mancs’ are blues.

Facts
- Manchester United have had higher attendances than Manchester City since 1947
Did we have glory fans from Surrey in the 40’s? Did all those Mancunian reds decide to shun United over the years and choose City as the team to pass down through the generations? Does that logically make any sense?

- Manchester United have had far more success than Manchester City
United have fans from all over the country and all over the world. Is it logical to believe that fans from the actual city would not support United too? More successful teams who play more entertaining football attract more fans, simple as that. Mancunians are attracted to success and attractive football as much as anyone outside of Manchester, which is why the reds have attracted so many fans over the years, both in and out of Manchester. We’ve had the Busby Babes in the 50s, we were the first English team to win the European Cup in the 60s, having three European Player of the Year winners in the side and we’ve had the Sir Alex years.

- “The council house is never full”
Manchester City’s stadium has been on average 13% empty (roughly 6,200 seats) this season. When City played Juventus in the Europa League, 12,614 tickets went unsold, despite them being sold for £10 (£5 for under-16s). For the Salzburg game, there were 10,274 empty seats, despite them selling tickets for £5 (£1 for under-16s). If Manchester is full of City fans, why don’t they go to watch the games?

- Stockport is blue
According to the Manchester season ticket report, conducted in 2001, the most popular postcode for City season ticket holders was SK8. In that same report, it was revealed that 7,808 season ticket holders at Old Trafford were from Manchester, compared to the 6,678 at Maine Road. City had a higher proportion of their season tickets going to Mancs but then they don’t have the competition with the rest of the country for seats. Having lots of fans outside of Manchester doesn’t negate the fact we have lots of fans in Manchester.

Manchester is red.

Soft bastards !!

I think with Carling Cup games and Europa League game you generally expect to be down 15-20k. United didn't have 76k at OT when they beat Wolves in the CC. And as far as league games go, we're well supported.

I love that Stockport argument - because despite it being our most blue postcode in 2001 (yep a decade ago) there were still more United STs in SK8.

Do you wanna know some facts? I know two United season ticket holders. There postcodes: MK41 and SG7 - you can Google them to see how 'Manc' they are.

Exactly. Also, the person that wrote all that is crying about City fans "lying" about the composition of our support in Manchester yet has the cheek to then blatantly come out with the lie that "Stockport is blue". If that person wants to make a serious point they're not doing themselves any favours when, as you say, there were more United ST holders in SK8 than City ST holders.

And as out of date as that survey is, as was stated earlier in another thread, despite having 11,000 less season ticket holders than them at the time City ST holders in the City of Manchester itself outweighed United ST holders by 4 to 3. This is something that was never highlighted in the survey.

 

[laserblue]

I initially said it is shameful for city fans to mock our wartime achievements. Its at the very least misguided.

You're now referencing decisions made by directors and holding them against us. Man Utd is the fans in my eyes. U cant call us scum for decisions made by businessman who had their own interests at heart.

With regard to munich, I dont now a lot about how the families were compensated. Iv just had a search on the web without finding anything relevant. If theres any info out there id be interested to read it so feel free to link it up.

You should take in to account that 1950s Britain didnt have the kind of compensation culture we have now. I imagine emotional and economic wounds were still healing from the war, so I doubt the victims families fealt they had been mistreated at the time and I doubt they expected or wanted any special treatment.

one of the main reasons why the survivors & the victims' families weren't properly compensated was because your beloved football club (yes you once actually had those words on your badge) had cut corners & underinsured the players.

johnny berry is a good example of your club's shit treatment of survivors. after the crash he spent 2 months in hospital with a shattered pelvis & fractured skull with a broken jaw, leg & elbow as well. because of his injuries all his teeth had to be removed. he could never play football again. not long afterwards he was evicted from his club house & he was fired by letter. what a bunch of cunts.

as for rag officials in the more modern era martin edwards was too preoccupied in peering under toilet doors watching women having a piss to do something meaningful for the munich survivors.

 

[bluemanc]

I initially said it is shameful for city fans to mock our wartime achievements. Its at the very least misguided.

You're now referencing decisions made by directors and holding them against us. Man Utd is the fans in my eyes. U cant call us scum for decisions made by businessman who had their own interests at heart.

With regard to munich, I dont now a lot about how the families were compensated. Iv just had a search on the web without finding anything relevant. If theres any info out there id be interested to read it so feel free to link it up.

You should take in to account that 1950s Britain didnt have the kind of compensation culture we have now. I imagine emotional and economic wounds were still healing from the war, so I doubt the victims families fealt they had been mistreated at the time and I doubt they expected or wanted any special treatment.

one of the main reasons why the survivors & the victims' families weren't properly compensated was because your beloved football club (yes you once actually had those words on your badge) had cut corners & underinsured the players.

johnny berry is a good example of your club's shit treatment of survivors. after the crash he spent 2 months in hospital with a shattered pelvis & fractured skull with a broken jaw, leg & elbow as well. because of his injuries all his teeth had to be removed. he could never play football again. not long afterwards he was evicted from his club house & he was fired by letter. what a bunch of cunts.

as for rag officials in the more modern era martin edwards was too preoccupied in peering under toilet doors watching women having a piss than to do something meaning ful for the munich survivors.

edwards did under pressure organise a memorial game BUT.........

However, in the midst of the preparations, former United player Eric Cantona, who had retired from football to pursue a career in film in the summer of 1997, expressed an interest in returning to Manchester United for a farewell match. Edwards, ever the businessman, took the opportunity to combine the two events into one.[59] From then on, it seemed to some that the match had ceased to be primarily a tribute to the Busby Babes and more about Cantona. Due to Cantona's new acting career, his schedule meant that he would not be available in February and the match was moved to 18 August, with the opposition to be a European XI chosen by Cantona himself. Martin Edwards was criticised for turning the match into a publicity stunt, while Elizabeth Wood, the divorced wife of Munich survivor Ray Wood, compared the treatment of the Munich victims to that of "dancing bears at the circus". Nevertheless, the match earned £47,000 for each of the victims' families, while Eric Cantona recouped over £90,000 in expenses directly from the testimonial fund, rather than from the club.

Shocking but expected.

They even cropped the words to fit the AIG end,spot the obvious error.

 

[BigTony]

ReligionOnly 45% of the residents of Clifford ward (the ward that contains the larger part of Old Trafford) reported themselves as being Christian in the 2001 Census, compared to 76% across Trafford as a whole, and 72% across England.[11] This is reflected in the unusually high number of non Christian places of worship in the area.

Since the 1980s Old Trafford has become home to two large South Asian communities – Gujarati Indians and Pakistani Urdu speakers – almost all being Muslim. Muslims represent the largest non-Christian religious group in the area, with 28% of the population, compared to 3% in the whole of Trafford. To service this community there are four mosques in the area; the Faizan-e-Islam mosque, the *Masjid-e-Hidayah, the Masjid-e-Noor and the Masjid Imdadia.

There is also a smaller Sikh community, with its own Gurdwara, the Sangat Bhatra Sikh Temple, Upper Chorlton Road. Sikhs account for 4% of the area's population, significantly above the less than 1% average for Trafford and England. To further add to the religious mix there is also a Bhuddist temple, the Fo Kang Shang Buddhist Temple, although Bhuddists are recorded as making up only 0.2% of the area's population, roughly the same proportion as for Jews.
Old Trafford is in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Salford, Further information: List of churches in Old Trafford [edit] Education Along with the rest of Trafford, Old Trafford maintains a selective education system assessed by the Eleven Plus examination. There is only one secondary school in Old Trafford; a private, female-only, Muslim secondary school [ but there are three primary schools within the area.

I repeat - the swamp is in the catholic diocese of Salford . . no arguments please - just look it up. It's a wonderfully ethnic area with only 45% christian (all of the various christian religions added together) and the largest actual single religion is Muslim It's also split across 2 trafford voting districts (Urmston & Stretford I think).

Not sure if this is a wind up or not but City used to play in Moss Side probably the most multi cultural area in England, bit of a wierd thing to be scoring points with.

As for the Catholic bit, not that it matters to me but wasn't the main Irish/Catholic areas in Manchester around Maine Road at one time? Moss Side, Levenshulme, Burnage, Whalley range etc always had more Irish people that Salford from my expereince.

Wound me up a bit that, thought i'd reply.

 

[a.woollam]

I initially said it is shameful for city fans to mock our wartime achievements. Its at the very least misguided.

You're now referencing decisions made by directors and holding them against us. Man Utd is the fans in my eyes. U cant call us scum for decisions made by businessman who had their own interests at heart.

With regard to munich, I dont now a lot about how the families were compensated. Iv just had a search on the web without finding anything relevant. If theres any info out there id be interested to read it so feel free to link it up.

You should take in to account that 1950s Britain didnt have the kind of compensation culture we have now. I imagine emotional and economic wounds were still healing from the war, so I doubt the victims families fealt they had been mistreated at the time and I doubt they expected or wanted any special treatment.

What are you expectin me to say about this matter. Every utd fan in the country would want these people looked after until the day they die, but we dont make the decisions and the world doesnt work like that. Ill question past or present decision makers when I see some actual evidence (which i dont deny may exist, if it does let me see it). How much as been done by the fans to help the victims of munich? I do not know, but Im sure plenty of funds have been raised over the years.

The daily mail article I can give no credence. Purely for the fact I give no newspaper articles of that nature credence. 'united treated us like vermin' is that a quote from Mrs Wood? Was her disability Munich related? Is the article implying Utd should compensate her for her disability even if it wasnt related to the crash? Was she refusing to go to Old Trafford unless she can sit in the directors box? Whats Cantona done wrong?

To use that article as evidence to call united scum is naive. I mean no disrespect to Mrs Wood, Im merely questioning your sources of information.

AIG on the banner was a disgrace. Any fan worth is salt would agree. The AIG logo was defaced by Utd fans to show our disapproval.

The pricks in the t-shirts need filling in.

I dont understand where City fans get this idea that anything associated with United is genuinely evil. If its the badge that scares you all, Im pretty sure the devil crest is just a design. I doubt it as any real symbolic meaning.

I posted on this thread to talk about fan base but certain city fans turn to the same old stories to start shouting scum scum. get a grip

im sure some of you have stories about savage rag bullies who beat up disabled children.

-Why? years during the wars count to the 37, it wasn't an exceptional circumstance since every other club was in the same boat.

-So United is the fans, but these fans have no control over the club? If you all got together something could be done about these directors, if, as you say, the club is the fans (I dont think green & gold will cut it).

-Fair enough.

-It was, so fair enough

-The amount of abuse I have recieved from United fans leads me to this conclusion. They could not be gracious in victory, and certainly not in defeat, and have to constantly snipe and rile at us at every opportunity so 20 years later you would be hard pressed to fine a City fan who does not despise united. I think this also explains a lack of city fans in pubs in manchester, why would I want to go out as a city fan to a pub where there are most likely reds, you cannot hold a proper conversation with most of them and usually just get alot of abuse. I find as a city fan, keep your head down is a rule.

-Not involving disabled people but I have seen many instances of rag buillies, not bullies because they are rags but rags because they are bullies. This is the type of person your club attracts, arrogant people who feel insecure and have to support a successful team so they can shout people down to feel better about themselves and have no sense of the word humble. And then when it falls apart and their facade crumbles, we see who they truly are. They are a parody of the club itself.

I would like to see united wash away into non-league obscurity, to forever become football history

rant over

Dzeko looks like he'll be a hero, heres hoping =)

 

[crizack]

Just look at the families of the munich victims to see how shit of a club scum are. A family friend had four footballers and their families living with her and her kids in a three bedroom house in moston.

Despicable.

Dzeko seems alright.