Easy Changes to Improve the game.

Stephen230 said:
I’m not saying you should agree but that’s not really a reason in itself to be against it.

I might be wrong here but I don’t think they ever show adverts between full time and extra time. Or extra time and penalties.
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You don't watch many foreign channels I take it?

You may be right, but if you Institutionalise between 20 and 30 5 and 10 second delays each game I can easily see the income signs flashing in the corridors of the mighty. And by that, to be clear, I mean the PL.

If you are looking for other reasons to be against it:

Part of the appeal of football is its continuous nature. It's 90 minutes of action-packed entertainment (or it should be if stoppages are refereed properly), not a sequence of plays like some other sports. Even jockeying for position at throw-ins, or at goalkicks has an interest (or it should have if time taken is refereed properly) that would be lost if playing time was stopped with unlimited time taking for the restarts.

Also, time-wasting isn't just about wasting time. It's also about breaking concentration / stopping momentum. That would only get worse if stops in playing time were institutionalised, for the same reason.

At the end of the day, I just think there are better, existing ways of managing ball in play time by actually refereeing properly, than needlessly tinkering with a 150 year old law of the game.
 
- Mandatory subs (3 to 5) and they must play at least 20 mins.
- Sin bin for players who are shown a yellow in consecutive games (2nd yellow = sin bin)
- Yellow cards for anyone who back chats officials
 
halfcenturyup said:
You don't watch many foreign channels I take it?

You may be right, but if you Institutionalise between 20 and 30 5 and 10 second delays each game I can easily see the income signs flashing in the corridors of the mighty. And by that, to be clear, I mean the PL.

If you are looking for other reasons to be against it:

Part of the appeal of football is its continuous nature. It's 90 minutes of action-packed entertainment (or it should be if stoppages are refereed properly), not a sequence of plays like some other sports. Even jockeying for position at throw-ins, or at goalkicks has an interest (or it should have if time taken is refereed properly) that would be lost if playing time was stopped with unlimited time taking for the restarts.

Also, time-wasting isn't just about wasting time. It's also about breaking concentration / stopping momentum. That would only get worse if stops in playing time were institutionalised, for the same reason.

At the end of the day, I just think there are better, existing ways of managing ball in play time by actually refereeing properly, than needlessly tinkering with a 150 year old law of the game.
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I don’t watch any foreign channels since pubs stopped using them. Well apart from when I’m on holiday.

I don’t think any of that necessarily has to be lost without the clock continuously running. It is still supposed to be a free flowing game. The referee will still be in his rights to hurry players along, or even discipline them, if he thinks they are taking the piss deliberately slowing down the game. He just probably won’t have to do it that often and the clock won’t be running while he is. 51:23 the ball was in play last night at Arsenal.
 
Please no to stop the clock and reduce the 90 minutes. Remember the clamour for VAR because apparently it would stop all controversial decisions? Same with this being seen as the magic bullet to stop timewasting. It's applying the "Politician's Solution"; a problem exists, there are ways to reduce it, but lets pick the worst and most radical one because that will definitely stop it without doubt.
 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t watch any foreign channels since pubs stopped using them. Well apart from when I’m on holiday.

I don’t think any of that necessarily has to be lost without the clock continuously running. It is still supposed to be a free flowing game. The referee will still be in his rights to hurry players along, or even discipline them, if he thinks they are taking the piss deliberately slowing down the game. He just probably won’t have to do it that often and the clock won’t be running while he is. 51:23 the ball was in play last night at Arsenal.
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Fair enough.

I just don't see the point for the sake of an extra 8 minutes when the referee already it has it in his power to hurry players along or discipline them. Too many potential downsides for me.

I know you won't agree, but the introduction of VAR was universally welcomed. That hasn't stopped it becoming a pig's ear because of how it has been implemented. I have less faith than you maybe do that the authorities won't bollocks up a stop-clock with unforeseen consequences as well.

Just apply the LotG as they are now and most of the problems are solved without radical change, IMHO.
 
Pell said:
Please no to stop the clock and reduce the 90 minutes. Remember the clamour for VAR because apparently it would stop all controversial decisions? Same with this being seen as the magic bullet to stop timewasting. It's applying the "Politician's Solution"; a problem exists, there are ways to reduce it, but lets pick the worst and most radical one because that will definitely stop it without doubt.
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What he said.
 
Stephen230 said:
I don’t watch any foreign channels since pubs stopped using them. Well apart from when I’m on holiday.

I don’t think any of that necessarily has to be lost without the clock continuously running. It is still supposed to be a free flowing game. The referee will still be in his rights to hurry players along, or even discipline them, if he thinks they are taking the piss deliberately slowing down the game. He just probably won’t have to do it that often and the clock won’t be running while he is. 51:23 the ball was in play last night at Arsenal.
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Imagine going to a concert and the show stopping every few minutes whilst the crewe changed the instruments or setting, leading to some of the best numbers being excluded when the gigs over.

The solution to many of these irritations is common sense and the will..

Where there's a will there's a way, but common sense isn't very common !!
 
LongsightM13 said:
Just make our weak and useless referees enforce the existing laws of the game properly. Book timewasters early and often, not in the 89th minute. Treat it as what it is - despicable cheating that threatens the viability of the game
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Does my head especially regarding the keepers they know what there doing they allow it to go on and then magically they will fly up to book them in the latter stages ....... nothing but a token gesture
 
halfcenturyup said:
Stop-clocks would be a horrible idea. It wouldn't take the broadcast companies ten minutes to realise the value of ads in these clock "breaks". We would have 5 second, ten second ads every time the ball went out. Not for me. Just get the refs to do their bloody job properly.
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they dont have ad breaks with stop clocks in rugby league.its the only fair way
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Players surrounding a ref and in his face - automatically dish out yellow cards to every single one of them
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We need a rugby style approach where the referee is respected. In football the ref is the enemy and that attitude comes from the media, pundits, commentators, managers, fans and players. In rugby they can wear microphones because they get respected and don't get sworn at. You'd be in the sin bin if you swore at one. They call the captains in to forewarn them of impending cards/penalties and they set the benchmark of what is going to be allowed. They don't always get it right, but they communicate the rules and the players have to adapt.

Take the Arsenal v Newcastle game. The ref calls the captains over, tells them the fouls have to stop or he'll start issuing cards and then they either stop, or they can't complain about the bookings. Instead the crowd get angry, the players get in his face, the commentators suggest he'd set a benchmark too low for the yellow cards. It was all a farce. We seem to want a fair game of 11 v 11 but when a team is constantly fouling and getting away with it, they should be punished and we should be happy that they are being. We want fast-paced football, not a bitty game where it's foul after foul. The refs can deliver that if we respect them and allow them the chance to set the rules.
 
supercity88 said:
My point is, there's still plenty of time to win games and when it comes to the latter stages when you're trying to win you just have to start that urgency sooner, like from the first minute! They didn't play anywhere near the full added time when we played Villa, but I was more than happy they blew the whistle early!
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Whenever we have had a poor first half I've always said the half time bollocking should have come before kick off. And how many times - seventy minutes onwards - do we see an urgency that should have begun in the first quarter. We need an early goal to force teams to develop some element of attacking ambition if they are to get something from the game rather than strangling the life out of it. The longer they keep it at 0-0 the more they feel the ref is gonna rescue them.
 
A BLUE CARD - Ref to use this to send player off pitch for 10 minutes/sin bin.....inbetween a yellow and red

To be used in examples.....taking out and stopping another player (taking one for the team) / diving cheating trying to win a pen / persistent time wasting by keepers......

i.e. things that maybe dont warrant a red but a yellow not a proper punishment and players happy to take a yellow.
 
GKs are probably amongst the most time wasters. As well as the slow walk to retreive a dead ball, the boot-cleaning, and waving everyone upfield, I'm irritated by this habit of standing with the ball at their feet and waiting for someone from the opposition to approach them beofe picking up the ball.
 
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