Ebola Outbreak

tiggsywiggsywoo said:
aguero93:20 said:
tiggsywiggsywoo said:
Two nurses in separate countries, dressed for and following all the correct procedures, have both been confirmed contractors of the disease.
Have you considered that if the virus was airborne we'd be looking at a couple of thousand cases, not a couple?

No not if the mutation is recent and in isolation.
It's two weeks since the nurse in Madrid started displaying symptoms and therefore about 6 weeks since she was exposed to the virus. If Madrid had been exposed to airborne Ebola that long ago, there would be an outbreak with thousands there now, not one person infected.
 
aguero93:20 said:
tiggsywiggsywoo said:
aguero93:20 said:
Have you considered that if the virus was airborne we'd be looking at a couple of thousand cases, not a couple?

No not if the mutation is recent and in isolation.
It's two weeks since the nurse in Madrid started displaying symptoms and therefore about 6 weeks since she was exposed to the virus. If Madrid had been exposed to airborne Ebola that long ago, there would be an outbreak with thousands there now, not one person infected.

Its how she and the american nurse became exposed and infected, that is the puzzle. Colds and flu are airborne, yet not everyone becomes infected even in the confines of a small community such as an office or school. To say that thousands would already be infected is not necessarily true.
 
tiggsywiggsywoo said:
aguero93:20 said:
tiggsywiggsywoo said:
No not if the mutation is recent and in isolation.
It's two weeks since the nurse in Madrid started displaying symptoms and therefore about 6 weeks since she was exposed to the virus. If Madrid had been exposed to airborne Ebola that long ago, there would be an outbreak with thousands there now, not one person infected.

Its how she and the american nurse became exposed and infected, that is the puzzle. Colds and flu are airborne, yet not everyone becomes infected even in the confines of a small community such as an office or school. To say that thousands would already be infected is not necessarily true.
So what you're getting at here is that it could be airborne, but less than 0.1% of people in Madrid are susceptible to it?

I don't think so, it's far more probable that simple human error came into play when removing the suits and disinfecting, which would also explain why nobody else who was in close contact with the patients in Madrid and Dallas has become infected.
 
aguero93:20 said:
tiggsywiggsywoo said:
aguero93:20 said:
It's two weeks since the nurse in Madrid started displaying symptoms and therefore about 6 weeks since she was exposed to the virus. If Madrid had been exposed to airborne Ebola that long ago, there would be an outbreak with thousands there now, not one person infected.

Its how she and the american nurse became exposed and infected, that is the puzzle. Colds and flu are airborne, yet not everyone becomes infected even in the confines of a small community such as an office or school. To say that thousands would already be infected is not necessarily true.
So what you're getting at here is that it could be airborne, but less than 0.1% of people in Madrid are susceptible to it?

I don't think so, it's far more probable that simple human error came into play when removing the suits and disinfecting, which would also explain why nobody else who was in close contact with the patients in Madrid and Dallas has become infected.

It's exactly that,the suits have the infection on and it comes into contact with the health workers skin as they take the suits off.I have barrier nursed patients a lot and there is a way to take off your protective things which is as important as putting it on right
 
BlueBearBoots said:
Hamann Pineapple said:
On the bright side, shares in Tekmira are up 400% in the last year. The US pharmaceutical company showed amazing foresight in getting Ebola treatment appoved just 1 day before the outbreak was announced. Every cloud.....


Do drug companies put viruses out there?

Mission impossible II was a documentary, in fairness nothing would surprise me
 
Seems to me that news management is in full swing over this.

The Ebola virus has already exceeded the predicted transmission rates, the revised predicted rates and revised, revised predicted rate. WHO has just revised its predicted infection rate upwards again.

It has been known for a long time that the biggest public health risk to a developed economy is a highly infectious virus with a high mortality rate. The management plan is already in place, but it is massively expensive and would be very difficult politically for any government to impose. I think we are being spoon fed information at the moment to justify incremental measures.

It's worth thinking what exponential growth actually means:

growth whose rate becomes ever more rapid in proportion to the growing total number or size.

The more people infected the more people will be infected - 2 become 6 become 24 become 96 etc etc.

The BBC are saying Ebola infection is growing exponentially in West Africa. This is not a virus that you get pockets of. If it's there it's there and it will get bigger. The answer? Sector containment. You can bet that the government has already discussed it and the press are gradually ramping up public anxiety to the point where it becomes acceptable.
 
It has just been on the news about the American nurse who has Ebola was fully protected so is it airborne ??
 
mammutly said:
Seems to me that news management is in full swing over this.

The Ebola virus has already exceeded the predicted transmission rates, the revised predicted rates and revised, revised predicted rate. WHO has just revised its predicted infection rate upwards again.

It has been known for a long time that the biggest public health risk to a developed economy is a highly infectious virus with a high mortality rate. The management plan is already in place, but it is massively expensive and would be very difficult politically for any government to impose. I think we are being spoon fed information at the moment to justify incremental measures.

It's worth thinking what exponential growth actually means:

growth whose rate becomes ever more rapid in proportion to the growing total number or size.

The more people infected the more people will be infected - 2 become 6 become 24 become 96 etc etc.

The BBC are saying Ebola infection is growing exponentially in West Africa. This is not a virus that you get pockets of. If it's there it's there and it will get bigger. The answer? Sector containment. You can bet that the government has already discussed it and the press are gradually ramping up public anxiety to the point where it becomes acceptable.

Would it be possible to literally lock down countries?
 
toby said:
It has just been on the news about the American nurse who has Ebola was fully protected so is it airborne ??

No its bad practise when removing the suits,getting it on their skin.The nurse in spain touched her face with one of gloves whilst taking her suit off.If it was airbourne a lot more would have it by now
 

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