Eden Hazard (continued)

[g180aj]

chelsea have played 433 for years now no matter who the manager has been so i dont see him getting the number 10 role there not to mention mata, marin, moluda and de bryne aswell as reported interest in hulk and lucas moura they shouldn't really be an option.

utd play either a 442 or 4231 with shreck playing in the hole(10 position) with scholes, nani, young who can also play in that position aswel as valencia out wide and reports of kagawa aswell the key beeing rooney tho.

we play 4231 with silva, nasri, tevez and yaya for those positions aswell as aj and mario out wide. aj is rumoured to be out the door and if hazard comes yaya wont be required to play forward as much, not to mention at lille they play 3 am players who roam just like our 3 am positions.
so basicly we are the perfect team for him.

 

[itisrising]

If he goes to Chelsea I don't care. ABU. There are some great alternatives out there for us.

I'm just hoping we have an alternative in mind and complete it quickly. We don't want the media to catch wind and add 'Man City tax' to the transfer fee.

I really think that if we sign Hazard we'd use him out wide (which is possibly why he won't come here if he prefers being in the middle). And the winger is one position not lacking in quality and options around the world... there are so many good wingers out there that we're spoiled for choice and not all of them would cost a bomb.

That is true. I really feel a player like Luciano Narsingh ( who is in Netherlands provisional squad) could be very handy. He is quick, can cross and composed when an opportunity arises. He has provided 22 assists in the Dutch league ( The dutch league is poor, I know) and Ajax and Fulham are both interested in him. He can go for around 5 million and would be very useful

 

[KenTheLandlord]

You could see Ferguson switching to a 4-2-3-1? Along with Chelseas unnamed tacticless manager?

Doubtful. I don't think people realize how much the media is playin into Hazards mind games. We often blame agents and players for stroking the flames but this would be a lot easier if the fans just took the player for his word. It's not like Hazard dispelling his every notion to the media, and if he did it's not like his agents would be truthful.

It seems smart to me for a player to say hes going to United to grab more money from City's grasp. It also seems smart to include a tertiary buyer so the clubs know if thy both stand firm neither will get him.

Just wait and see. No matter where he goes he will get 35 total games at least in his preferred position. He will play in whatever free role best suits him as Nasri/Silva and even Milner have in the past.

Yes, that's a fair point about them changing their formations - but they haven't had the personnel to do it in the past, plus the 4-2-3-1 formation is proving to be the best.
Strangely, it was a formation invented, i believe, by Brazil.
Perhaps Fergie now thinks wingers makes his side too vulnerable? Certainly, the excellent performance of Young in that role worked for England last night.

I'm not sure about the agents 'trying it on' by offering their man to the highest bidder either - a very risky game to play IF he, hazard, had already made up his mind which he wanted to pick.

It may also come down to Manager's - or lack of them. Given that Chelsea don't have one and United probably wont after next Season. That sort of impending insecurity would play on a youngster's mind too I suppose.

Actually, the 4-2-3-1 was invented in Spain by Irureta when he was at Santander in 93. However, it didnt really become popular until he successfully used it as Deportivo and almost immediately adopted by Capello at Real and Benitez at Valencia.

EDIT for more info.

A coach called Lillo has claimed that he was using 4231 at Cultural in 1991, but Irureta seems to get the credit for popularising it. According to Jonathan Wlison, John Toshack at Real used to play with two holding midfielders as did Co Adriaanse in the late 80s at Den Haag but this was more of a split striker system in a 4321 than a 4231. Veneables brought it into the English lexicon around 1996 but only as an experimental Xmas tree which was never adapted to 4231 in this country. We could have been 5 years ahead of everybody tactically with a bit more bravery.

There is an agument that Zagallo used this for Brazil from 1970, utilising this and 4-5-1 dependant on whether attacking or defending.

Irureta popularised it in Spain and the rest is history.

Other than 3-2-2-3, England has never been 5 years ahead of anything tactically.

 

[Rammyblues]

Rammyblues wrote:
Just another week of waiting.

Nothing compared to the Kaka, Nasri, tevez sagas of the past.

They were classics, the flapping was unbelievable, I am confident he will come to City because TH is reliable and from other sources which have been sent to me. I am not ITK by the way.

 

[sam-caddick]

I have a feeling if we don't get Hazard the Mancini will go for Sebastion Giovinco.

He won't go for price tag being talked about but the Parma coach rates him as good as Sanchez and superior to Pastore.

He looks like a Mancini signing IMO, questions arise with his height though - 5ft 4!! Then again Garrincha was 5ft 5 and he tore teams apart for Brazil and has gone down as the most gracious footballer in the 20th century.

 

[MCFC4EVR]

If he goes to Chelsea I don't care. ABU. There are some great alternatives out there for us.

I'm just hoping we have an alternative in mind and complete it quickly. We don't want the media to catch wind and add 'Man City tax' to the transfer fee.

I really think that if we sign Hazard we'd use him out wide (which is possibly why he won't come here if he prefers being in the middle). And the winger is one position not lacking in quality and options around the world... there are so many good wingers out there that we're spoiled for choice and not all of them would cost a bomb.

I suspect your right and I would prefer if we went out to get a winger we have enough players that can play behind the striker Yaya, Silva, Nasri and Tevez I think Di Maria should be our no.1 priority especially as he still hasn't got an improved contract and getting some one like Hoilett to replace AJ not only would we have a better squad player but we could also sell Hoilett if things didn't work out and make a profit.

 

[Ducado]

Things aren't looking good. I read this french source that says his mind was already made up on joining Man U but his agents were trying to hold him out so they could bargain bigger deals with us and Chelsea.

<a class="postlink" href="http://le10sport.com/football/france/ligue1/hazard-avantage-manchester-united-63059" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://le10sport.com/football/france/li ... ited-63059</a>

I just read this source this morning that it seems Chelsea are getting him
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.footmercato.net/premier-league/transferts/chelsea-sur-le-point-de-s-offrir-eden-hazard_85521" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.footmercato.net/premier-leag ... zard_85521</a>

However the latter source does throw out a lot of rumors per day so I would assume the first source is more solid than the second. However I don't understand how a player would consider a team without a coach and a defensive team or a team who look set to have young, nani, valencia, giggs, kagawa and him competing over 2 spots over a team that is the best team in England, plays very attractive football, going places and has 3 players playing for 2 spots.

Anyway its his choice and his career, will still hope him luck.

good grief as of a paper really knows anything

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

I have a feeling if we don't get Hazard the Mancini will go for Sebastion Giovinco.

He won't go for price tag being talked about but the Parma coach rates him as good as Sanchez and superior to Pastore.

He looks like a Mancini signing IMO, questions arise with his height though - 5ft 4!! Then again Garrincha was 5ft 5 and he tore teams apart for Brazil and has gone down as the most gracious footballer in the 20th century.

just been looking at some you tube videos of him very funny looks like a 10 year old playing

 

[sam-caddick]

I'm just hoping we have an alternative in mind and complete it quickly. We don't want the media to catch wind and add 'Man City tax' to the transfer fee.

I really think that if we sign Hazard we'd use him out wide (which is possibly why he won't come here if he prefers being in the middle). And the winger is one position not lacking in quality and options around the world... there are so many good wingers out there that we're spoiled for choice and not all of them would cost a bomb.

I suspect your right and I would prefer if we went out to get a winger we have enough players that can play behind the striker Yaya, Silva, Nasri and Tevez I think Di Maria should be our no.1 priority especially as he still hasn't got an improved contract and getting some one like Hoilett to replace AJ not only would we have a better squad player but we could also sell Hoilett if things didn't work out and make a profit.

No one apart from maybe Higuain or Kaka will leave Madrid this season IMO mate, Mourinho knows now Barcelona are at their weakest compared to the past few seasons and will want to exploit it and will not want to disrupt that squad at all. This Madrid squad if it wins the European Cup will go down as one of the best ever so I cannot see Di Maria moving mate.

 

[Damocles]

Yes, that's a fair point about them changing their formations - but they haven't had the personnel to do it in the past, plus the 4-2-3-1 formation is proving to be the best.
Strangely, it was a formation invented, i believe, by Brazil.
Perhaps Fergie now thinks wingers makes his side too vulnerable? Certainly, the excellent performance of Young in that role worked for England last night.

I'm not sure about the agents 'trying it on' by offering their man to the highest bidder either - a very risky game to play IF he, hazard, had already made up his mind which he wanted to pick.

It may also come down to Manager's - or lack of them. Given that Chelsea don't have one and United probably wont after next Season. That sort of impending insecurity would play on a youngster's mind too I suppose.

Actually, the 4-2-3-1 was invented in Spain by Irureta when he was at Santander in 93. However, it didnt really become popular until he successfully used it as Deportivo and almost immediately adopted by Capello at Real and Benitez at Valencia.

EDIT for more info.

A coach called Lillo has claimed that he was using 4231 at Cultural in 1991, but Irureta seems to get the credit for popularising it. According to Jonathan Wlison, John Toshack at Real used to play with two holding midfielders as did Co Adriaanse in the late 80s at Den Haag but this was more of a split striker system in a 4321 than a 4231. Veneables brought it into the English lexicon around 1996 but only as an experimental Xmas tree which was never adapted to 4231 in this country. We could have been 5 years ahead of everybody tactically with a bit more bravery.

There is an agument that Zagallo used this for Brazil from 1970, utilising this and 4-5-1 dependant on whether attacking or defending.

Irureta popularised it in Spain and the rest is history.

Other than 3-2-2-3, England has never been 5 years ahead of anything tactically.

Ive seen that argument and Im not sure I buy it. Zagallos Brazil team in 70 could be said to have played about ten different formations, of which 4-2-3-1 is certainly one of them, because they were so fluid. Many argue that they used a 4-5-1/4-3-3 hybrid.

Whilst they could be in the 4-2-3-1 shape often, it was more through player movement than something coached. You could also argue a 442 split strikers with Pele/Tostao up top and Rivellino/Jairzinho as wingers who cut in, with Carlos Alberto providing the width. Even a 424 has an argument in the 70s team and as Zagallo played that himself as a player, you could say that he continued his traditions.