Ederson or Ortega if it goes to penalties?

cibaman said:
I seem to remember Ederson making a great save at Palace in 17/18 to keep our unbeaten run going.

I dont think we could make a decision like this purely based on penalty save ratios. They‘d have to have a good look at the penalties they’ve faced and decide how many that they failed to save were saveable or unstoppable, how many that they saved were badly struck or telegraphed. There’s a fair degree of luck involved. Unless it could be shown that Ederson keeps failing to save “easy” penalties then leave Ortega on the bench
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Eddie saved 3 in his first season for us, and only 2 (including the shootout in the League Cup Final) in the last 5 seasons. Bizarre.
 
I'm surprised I've not seen a keeper use the strategy of just staying in the middle instead of moving and guessing. Usually the act of not going too early can be enough to put a player off, players are more likely to miss the target aiming for a corner, plus at least 1 of the 5 always goes down the middle.

No subs though, I think that's a hiding to nothing, especially when our sub keeper is not really what you'd call a "specialist".
 
Chelsea did that with Kepa because he was a supposed expert. He came on and saved zero pens and they lost. Ortega is a better penalty saver than Ederson, but I feel like making that sub just tempts the football gods into making you save nothing.
 
cibaman said:
I seem to remember Ederson making a great save at Palace in 17/18 to keep our unbeaten run going.

I dont think we could make a decision like this purely based on penalty save ratios. They‘d have to have a good look at the penalties they’ve faced and decide how many that they failed to save were saveable or unstoppable, how many that they saved were badly struck or telegraphed. There’s a fair degree of luck involved. Unless it could be shown that Ederson keeps failing to save “easy” penalties then leave Ortega on the bench
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I'd agree with this. Ok, Ortega's record is slightly better, but not significantly. Maybe Ederson's been up against better takers and that would cancel out the difference? I don't know.

The only time I'd go for it is when the sub keeper is really imposing. Then it makes players think that it will be saved if the keeper goes the right way, so they put it closer to the corners than they would normally and sometimes go wide/over as a result.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
Chelsea did that with Kepa because he was a supposed expert. He came on and saved zero pens and they lost. Ortega is a better penalty saver than Ederson, but I feel like making that sub just tempts the football gods into making you save nothing.
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At the league cup final? I was at the game and admittedly many pints has been consumed but wasn’t it the other way round? Sarri wanted to sub Cabellero on (probably because he knew the City squad very well), Kepa refused to leave the pitch and they lost.

I’m 99% certain this is how it went down…!
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
At the league cup final? I was at the game and admittedly many pints has been consumed but wasn’t it the other way round? Sarri wanted to sub Cabellero on (probably because he knew the City squad very well), Kepa refused to leave the pitch and they lost.

I’m 99% certain this is how it went down…!
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No, Carabao Cup Final last season v Liverpool. Brought on just for the pens, faced 11 pens, letting all 11 in, then skied the decisive penalty over the bar himself. Football Gods exist, they are real and I don’t like tempting them!
 
Tricky_Trev said:
No, Carabao Cup Final last season v Liverpool. Brought on just for the pens, faced 11 pens, letting all 11 in, then skied the decisive penalty over the bar himself. Football Gods exist, they are real and I don’t like tempting them!
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Ahhh right.

I didn’t watch that game. My interest in Chelsea vs Dippers in a cup final is about as high as my interest in watching This Morning* or Emmerdale.


*unless Holly Whatshername gets her tits out
 
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